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Post by davidmdahl on Oct 5, 2005 7:54:06 GMT
When I started playing Chinese music, I decided to learn the jianpu notation as well. For the most part the learning has been relatively simple. This is not to say that my mind does not skip tracks at times. After playing a lot of tunes in one key, it can be a challenge to switch gears and play in a different key. It has taken a while but I have finally found a editor for jianpu notation. It is a freeware program called S-Music and is available at www.a1soft.com/smusic.htm . It is very simple to use. So far I have not used it for any serious projects, but it seems to have the goods. Best wishes, David
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 5, 2005 10:04:39 GMT
Oh goody! So far, I've been using the jianpu font set that was suggested sometime ago in this forum. Was a bit time-consuming, but I hope this one will be even better and quicker!
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Post by paulv on Oct 5, 2005 13:09:40 GMT
Hi David, Thanks for the URL. The notation software looks promising, but is missing the erhu related symbols. I'm going to contact the vendor and see if I can suggest/help out with this.
Regards,
Paul.
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Post by paulv on Oct 12, 2005 15:55:52 GMT
Charlie/David, I sent the vendor an email suggesting that I would give them an erhu specific font set if they would incorporate it in the S-Music app. I'm waiting for their response.
Is there a guzheng specific accent font?
Regards,
Paul Valente
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 12, 2005 17:15:11 GMT
if you are gonna include erhu, you might as well include them all. Saves time with these 'versions' et al.
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Post by paulv on Oct 12, 2005 18:05:37 GMT
Charlie, I totally agree with you, but I don't know any other accent notations for instruments other than erhu. I'll wait and see what the developer says -- this whole idea could easily be shot down.
Regards, Paul Valente
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Post by paulv on Oct 13, 2005 12:27:08 GMT
Received a reply from the developer -- he will put in the erhu accent font set I made into S-Music when he has the time. Does anyone have any accent font sets for other instruments?
Regards, Paul Valente
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 13, 2005 19:46:50 GMT
Hmmm, slighty difficult for pipa coz there are some notation that cannot be formathed out of your basic font set...
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Post by paulv on Oct 14, 2005 12:36:49 GMT
I'll keep watching this thread for another week,then I'll just tell the developer to go with the erhu accent font set I have.
Thanks....
Regards,
Paul Valente
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Post by calden on Oct 26, 2005 13:28:59 GMT
Hey all:
I tried that URL for the jianpu notation editor. Doesn't work. Would one of you have a .sit file of it? Or some other compressed version? Don't know if my Mac can digest an .exec file.
Carlos
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Post by paulv on Oct 26, 2005 16:28:47 GMT
Carlos, That notation editor is a PC app only -- does your Mac do any PC emulating?
Regards, Paul Valente
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Post by Dick on Nov 4, 2005 17:30:36 GMT
<rantmode>Oh, not ANOTHER Windows-only half-baked software solution. The software is "free" but I have to spend $400 for the environment it runs in? Sorry, I need that money for flutes and supplies. You just have to wonder if Microsoft pays these guys under the table to not develop other platforms.</rantmode> Sorry to subject y'all to that. To make up for it, here is a smidgen of potentially useful info: Location of an open source music notation "engraver" software, very thorough, very complete, rather difficult to get started with. I use it for wuxianpu scores that I have to make for my ensembles, but I have a strong suspicion that (with considerable persistence) it could be made to do jianpu. Or, whatever, since it is open source. Binary distributions exist for Mac, Windows, and many flavors of Linux and Unix. I love it: lilypond.org.
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Post by paulv on Nov 5, 2005 0:20:59 GMT
Dick, I agree with you. I've run lilypond on my linux box before and it's excellent. There are some other linux OS type music notation apps around that are also good and easier to use than lilypond.
I never dug into the lilypond source code, so I don't know how much effort would be required to build jianpu into it -- it would be fun for someone who has the time. All my spare time is spent trying to play the erhu.
Regards, Paul Valente
PS: There's a reason why Apple went with a Unix flavor OS!!
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Post by maaltan on Jan 19, 2006 5:33:07 GMT
PS: There's a reason why Apple went with a Unix flavor OS!! Thats what i was getting ready to say. Are you running any of the os X (10) versions? they are based on beos and should be slightly more complicated than "trivial" (read octogon peg in round hole got to beat on it a little but it will work) to get a linux program working in os X. Then of course I THINK there is a version of WINE for osX also. WINE stands for WINE Is Not an Emulator (haha not funny i know). basically it will run about 80-90% of windows programs that do not require special hardware interfaces (like 3d games, possibly audio programs) I forsee no problems getting a simple program like this notion software working. of course all else fails you can pay $100ish to microsoft for virtual PC. lets you run intel based operating systems (such as windows) in a window in mac os. you still need a windows install disk, but according to a semi-official statement made by microsoft they said that running windows in a virtual machine environment does not require a license (which means its almost legal to borrow your buddies disk). Of course the lawyers are beating thier heads at this moment about this so it might change at moments notice. Of course there are flavors of linux that work on the mac hardware platform (darwin i think?) ... Of course after reading all that your probably scraching your head saying 'heck with this pen and paper is easier"
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Post by paulv on Jan 19, 2006 13:51:43 GMT
No, I have a work laptop that's partitioned for WinXP Pro and RH Linux 9.0 and my home desktop is also partitioned for the same Linux and Win98.
I mostly use my work laptop for just about everything except personal finances which I keep on my home machine. I run Linux because I developed some database tools on that platform that help me in my day-to-day work tasks.
So far, my non-work related computer stuff is using the laptop to run the metronome and tuner programs while I'm practicing erhu!
By the way, I never heard back from the developer of S-Music regarding the font set I sent them -- I guess I shouldn't expect much since I was hoping they would do that for free.
Regards, Paul...
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Post by rickwalker on Apr 4, 2006 8:22:25 GMT
I just downloaded the free copy of S-Music. It runs fine under linux (fedora core 4) under the latest wine release.
I found it to be fairly limited for typesetting erhu music. It doesn't have any symbols for fingering. I also couldn't figure out how to output postscript so I could include the scores in an instruction book.
I'm willing to pay for some development to get a useable editor for writing an introductory erhu text. I've contacted the S-music author by email to let him know of my interest.
walker AT omnisterra DOT com
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Post by calden on Apr 8, 2006 14:37:07 GMT
Rick:
I just visited your web page about erhu stuff. Very comprehensive and a good resource for me as a sometime-teacher. Thanks a ton.
I wish I had the time to get into the linux core of my Mac OSX and figure out how to use a jianpu notation program. I'd love to be able to whip stuff off like exercises. But for now it's easier - far easier - for me to use the Carlos OS and hand write stuff.
Carlos
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Post by paulv on Apr 9, 2006 2:05:15 GMT
Carlos, You may want to try just the TrueType font set for the notation. Somewhat tedious, but once you get the hang of it, it isn't bad.
Rickwalker: you can get a free PDF converter called CutePDF that works as a print driver -- I use it all the time and it does a great job.
Regards,
Paul.
PS: rickwalker has the right idea -- throw some $$ at the S-Music developers for the erhu stuff. The mistake I made was not offering anything for the added functionality.
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Post by calden on Apr 9, 2006 2:18:29 GMT
Paul:
What's the TrueType font set for the notation, and how does it work, and, and, and, where can I get it?
carlos
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Post by Charlie Huang on Apr 9, 2006 9:54:51 GMT
Dunno where you get it, but you use it in place of normal letters on the keyboard. I create a sheet for comparison by typing all the keys from the keyboard onto a Word document, then changing to said font, then repeating it below the normal font set so I know what corresponds with what on the keyboard; print it out and there you have it. Of course, takes some time getting use to but once you get the hang of it you can type it out rather quickly (the arrangement is logical rather than illogical).
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Post by calden on Apr 9, 2006 15:11:46 GMT
Okay, now I'm feeling stupid (no sarcastic commentary from CCC, please.) I've googled for Mac TrueType fonts and found nothing for numeric or (one can hope) jianpu fonts. Is there a way I can make them myself?
Carlos
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Post by paulv on Apr 9, 2006 18:50:47 GMT
Carlos, No reason to feel stupid -- you can search forever and you'll never find the jianpu fonts.
I can email the two TT font files, in addition to the TT fonts I made (not real great quality) for erhu accents.
By the way, David gets the credit for finding the jianpu fonts a while back -- I just tried to build the erhu accents. I downloaded a commercial product that had a time limit, and between the time limit and a project director breathing down my neck everyday at work, I did the best I could.
I'll send them off to you Monday AM, if I forget, please remind me.
Regards, Paul...
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Post by calden on Apr 9, 2006 22:15:44 GMT
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Post by calden on Apr 9, 2006 22:16:37 GMT
That was supposed to be "thanks tons!" in Chinese, but this writing Chinese stuff for the internet is moody.
Carlos
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Post by rickwalker on Apr 13, 2006 19:13:00 GMT
Hello CCC,
Is this truetype font for jianpu? I'd be interested in any pointers that would allow me to find it (such as the name of the font file, etc).
I'm talking with Bo Xu, the author of the little shareware program for jianpu. We are now discussing the terms under which he'd be willing to release the code. I'm suggesting GNU copyleft, which would allow anyone to make changes as long as they also give away the new code. Bo, being the original author could reserve the right to make a commercial version in parallel with the "free" version.
Carlos,
Thank you for the kind words on my Erhu tutorial web-site. It's a wiki, by the way. Feel free to make any additions or modifications as you like. I'd love it if people started uploading music to the web page. It's not intended to be a chat room like this one, so I don't think it competes with starvoid.
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