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Post by Flolei on May 25, 2012 6:00:17 GMT
Sorry, Ed, I didn't understand well your question. In general, when it is written G = 1 - D is 5 - E is 6 - F is 7b - F# is 7 But if you'll watch carefully videos, you will see that the players generally play the Autumn meditation in F with the low G, what allows the special 7 th hole. Firstly I thought the pkay with a low F, but it isn't true. They play: D is 6 E is 7 F is 1 (left habd + two first fingers of the right hand) G is 2 A is 3 B is 4# C is 5 See: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSvDQU-sbDk&feature=relatedAnd it works very well!
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Post by edcat7 on May 25, 2012 7:55:54 GMT
Sorry Flolei, you've totally confused me. the above player is using a low F?
My confusion lies with the 7th hole. Not having had any Western musical trainning, I don't think of the holes as D,E,F etc. I just think of them as their jianpo numbers. I didn't look closely at the jianpo for the score but does it include the number 7 or just up to 6?
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Post by Flolei on May 25, 2012 8:31:48 GMT
No, the player uses a low G, but read jianpu as I explained.
Fingering chart of low G dizi
D XXX XXXX E XXX XXX- F XXX XX-- F# XXX X-X- G XXX --X- A XX- --X- B X-- --X- C -XX -XX- C# --- ----
I'm still not sure I understood what you asked. Sorry if I've not well understood.
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Post by edcat7 on May 25, 2012 9:25:19 GMT
Well, it looks like when Allen comes over we will have plenty to play along to
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Post by Flolei on May 25, 2012 9:31:25 GMT
The score go up to 6, which is A if you play in G or G if you play in F. Sorry, I really don't understand your question...
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Post by xindi on May 26, 2012 20:12:21 GMT
Ed - you're a screamer. That's the music which I play on the low G which you always make that throat slitting gesture to Flolei's piece is nice! Yes it is high pitched Bb. I didn't think you were interested in this earpiercing range. After another flute connoisseur sent me a blind test on an alto C, I took out my own, and realised that *grief*. This is high pitched too. That's the consequences of playing baroque pitch for a solid fortnight...and then alto Boehm flute for the last two weeks. Yes - I have all of the Bb scores in the same book. The '3,5,7' piece definitely mentions Bb in brackets after the standard C key which the piece is usually done in, but who knows? I'll have to find a way to get it translated. You can play with my Irish Bb flute if you can make a sound from it lol. Just remember that I automatically discount the shrill high end versions of these dizis and go for the low end
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Post by Blue on May 26, 2012 22:12:46 GMT
Indirect references to people . . . . .
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Post by edcat7 on May 26, 2012 23:00:36 GMT
The first octave of a C is quite low, however the music I'm currently practising, most of the notes are in the higher octaves. I just want to extend my repertoire. Yes, i would like to photocopy some Bb scores. The Bb dizi, is it 6 holes or 7?
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Post by xindi on May 26, 2012 23:23:11 GMT
Indirect references to people . . . . . People reference the indirect lol. Thanks Ed - pitch is very personal. When you work with a nagging boss, the last thing you want to play after work is high pitch. The Bb which you are thinking of, is the high pitch one, which is 6 holes. The low version has 6 or 7 and there is a Bb xiao flute, which comes in 6, 7, or 8 holes (maybe Allen can find a 11 hole one ) But for your concert, the shrill high pitch one will be suitable for piercing through the crowd clatter. I'll show you the scores - but you might feel a bit terrified by some of them. They have some strange technical language written all over the numbers which I still can't decipher
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Post by Flolei on May 27, 2012 6:37:30 GMT
Xindi,
I don't understand why you speak about a "high pitched Bb". I sent a link to a video in which I play a low Bb dizi. It is about 72 cm long.
"The new song of herdsmen" is a "A piece" which is played with a E dizi; some pieces are "Bb pieces" which are played with a F flute. The tone of a piece and the flute it is played with are not always the same. That's all I said.
Well, I didn't understand all you wrote. My poor English + indirect references... I was a little lost...
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Post by Blue on May 27, 2012 6:51:05 GMT
Simple: Xindi has been spending too much time on a alto Boehm as well as baroque pitch. Therefore, what we consider to be alto-C or base Bb is considered to be high pitched for him. Sounds like there should be a separate Boehm thread to avoid comparing apples and oranges!
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Post by Flolei on May 27, 2012 6:57:35 GMT
Thanks to be such a good translater, Allen! However, this sentence is still unclear for me.
"The Bb which you are thinking of, is the high pitch one, which is 6 holes. The low version has 6 or 7."
With Ed we always spoke about the low one (I have no dizi higher than E).
Have a great Sunday!
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Post by Blue on May 27, 2012 16:34:28 GMT
Basically, Xindi thinks this is too high pitched even though it's an alto-C. Attachments:
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Post by Blue on May 27, 2012 16:37:50 GMT
Here's the same song using bitter bamboo instead of queen's tears at alto-C. Still considered by Xindi to be too high of a pitch. Attachments:
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Post by wenceslas on May 28, 2012 21:22:48 GMT
Hey Allen, bitter bamboo is know to be loud and clear so its natural for it to be higher in pitch; personally I won't choose a qudi which is made of bitter bamboo, I prefer purple bamboo.
Haha, Flolei! I'm directly opposite to you, I have all the bangdi and xiao di... =)
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Post by edcat7 on May 30, 2012 1:12:19 GMT
MY computer takes too long to download the above tunes and by then I've forgotten it. However to my ears and short memory I prefer the bitter bamboo dizi in 'Taiwanesesong2'
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Post by Flolei on May 30, 2012 5:12:56 GMT
Yes, me too. But I really don't know if it is a matter of flute or if Allen plays more "fluently" with the bitter bamboo. Anyway, it is really a nice song. Thanks for sharing, Allen!
Wenceslas, now I already improved: I listen to bangdi music and like very much some pieces, especially in F. But for now these songs are too difficult for my level (from 7 up to concertos), so there is really no need to buy one now. Xiaodis are for me absolutely too high. The ear pain doesn't allow me to enjoy listening.
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Post by davidmdahl on May 30, 2012 5:18:50 GMT
<snip>Xiaodis are for me absolutely too high. The ear pain doesn't allow me to enjoy listening. For those who want to keep their hearing: www.etymotic.com/hp/er20.htmlSeriously! Best wishes, David
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Post by edcat7 on May 30, 2012 7:30:47 GMT
I think the louder the better as I don't have to blow so hard. I never think my dizis are loud enough. However, whilst at a holiday camp I was practising my D dizi a good 75m away one morning, only to be politely requested to stop.
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Post by Flolei on May 30, 2012 7:41:15 GMT
Ed,
I think the dizi loudness is rarely a problem: dizi is a quite loud windwood. When I played with guzheng the problem was more not to be too loud. When I played the xiao with the same guzheng, it was the opposite: the guzheng was much louder than me.
Anyway for me the loudness isn't the main criteria for the tone quality. Some less loud dizis from well selected bamboo have a much bigger subtility and capacity of expressivness than some other louder ones. It really depends...
Some less loud are also very bad, of course.
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Post by Flolei on May 30, 2012 7:43:00 GMT
David,
Thanks for sharing. It really looks interesting. Have you personnally used that?
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Post by davidmdahl on May 30, 2012 8:22:30 GMT
Yes Flolei, I have used the Etymotic earplugs for some years. I try to have them available whenever I am playing in a group, and when I expect loud music. I also use them when practicing dizi. Hearing can be damaged not just by loud noise, but also by sustained noise that doesn't seem all that loud. I already have some hearing loss from mistakes in the past. Now I hope to protect what I have left.
Best wishes,
David
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Post by edcat7 on May 30, 2012 8:42:21 GMT
Ed, I think the dizi loudness is rarely a problem: dizi is a quite loud windwood. When I played with guzheng the problem was more not to be too loud. When I played the xiao with the same guzheng, it was the opposite: the guzheng was much louder than me. Anyway for me the loudness isn't the main criteria for the tone quality. Some less loud dizis from well selected bamboo have a much bigger subtility and capacity of expressivness than some other louder ones. It really depends... Some less loud are also very bad, of course. My ears aren't able to pick up 'the subtility and expressiveness' of diffferent dizis of the same quality. My target audience in my experience will be talking or if I one day busk, will be walking past me.
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Post by Flolei on May 30, 2012 9:44:35 GMT
Ed, It is a problem of attention of your target audience. Your dizi playing will never be loud enough to win the fight against indifference. Most people now listen only to music with electric guitarc and drums and are not ready to hear something else. How could Chinese music touch them? When you start to listen to a new music style, you have to prepare yourself, your ears and your mind... and people are not ready to work on themselves. That's all.
I don't believe you don't hear the subtility and expressiveness I spoke about. Maybe I used wrong words for something you would call differently.
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Post by edcat7 on May 30, 2012 10:31:44 GMT
Considering English isn't your first language as it is mine you're expressing yourself very eloquently. The trouble is, I have no knowledge of the technical terms as I'm taught in broken English and Mandarin, which as a Cantonese speaker I don't understand. Should I ever teach I would find it difficult to express these terms.
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