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Post by jetz320 on Oct 28, 2006 2:49:18 GMT
hi again. If you've read "Japanese Flutes", you'll know what this is about. I want to buy a flute so bad!!!!! But the book that I'm reading talks about so many different ways of reading music. The music is read differently in different schools!!!!!!!!! That's going to be so hard. But does anyone know of a site that can teach me to read shakuhachi, koto, noh flute, komabue, or the ryuteki music? Thanks for all the info!!! Also, did you know that ancient trad. Chinese music notation were characters?!
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Post by johnwithajinghu on Oct 30, 2006 20:50:11 GMT
koto is not that difficult, the strings are just numbers up to 10 and then
three other characters for 11 12 and 13 they are
壹 è²³ åƒ å›› 五 å… ä¸ƒ å…« ä¹ å æ–— 為 å·¾ the more artistic 1 2 and 3 are used
because the "normal" ones look like rests. 壹 è²³ åƒ è‚† ä¼ é™¸ 柒 æŒ çŽ– 拾
斗 為 巾 is the older set where all the other numbers are in the same
"format."
the chinese gongche(gongchi) pu is in characters which can be approximated
to jianpu but their normaly written top to bottom, right to left the ones
used for kunqu and jingju are 上ï¹å°ºï¹å·¥ï¹å‡¡ï¹åˆ å›› 一 上 å°º å·¥ 凡 å… äº”
乙 生伬 thats low 1 to high 2, they usually only go up to there
the ones on cantonese opera are pretty close to those but have a few differences
they are 仩伬 仜 å‡ åˆ å£« ä¹™ 上 å°º å·¥ å å… äº” 彳乙 生 彳尺 (from
low 1 to high 2)
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Post by jetz320 on Oct 31, 2006 0:14:20 GMT
The koto music to me is the EASIEST!!!! All I have to do is memorize the writting, that's it. But I'm most likely going to only play shakuhachi or hopefully the komabue or noh flutes. Koto, if I can buy a mini koto in China, then ok, I'll start learning koto. But for now, I'm sticking to Shakuhachi.
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Post by Si on Oct 31, 2006 4:35:06 GMT
I would have expected the koto music to be written in a style similar to the chinese method. Is it?
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 31, 2006 9:21:18 GMT
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Post by Si on Oct 31, 2006 14:21:13 GMT
Hey CCC - you used to have that bedroom with such oldy fashioned wallpaper, but now you have really made an effort to transform your pad- judging by the new photo!! ;D  |
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 31, 2006 16:39:41 GMT
That isn't my room! That photo was taken at Julian Joseph's house!  My room is still the same, ugly pink wallpaper. |
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Post by kyokuhon on Nov 6, 2006 22:45:07 GMT
Hey, all,
Well, back to Japanese music. I play shakuhachi, mostly from Tozan Ryu notation, and shinobue from modern number notation. I think that Tozan Ryu music is easier to read; being based on European notation (Nakao Tozan, founder of the school, studied violin in Paris. He died in the 1950's) it has the equivalent of bars, quarter notes, etc. The other main school, the Kinko Ryu, is older, and has a more traditional notation, using little marks to indicate tempo, etc. The basic symbols are the same, mostly adapted Katakana letters. Most of them just indicate which finger positions to use, but some, like "koro koro" indicate more complex techniques. There are several good introductions to both Kinko and Tozan playing available, and many teachers. Tozan is more popular in Japan, Kinko more popular in America and Europe.
Shinobue uses a number notation that looks superficially like jianpu, but the numbers refer to the number of finger holes open, from "0" for all holes closed to "7" for all holes open. Chinese numbers mean the lower octave, Arabic mean the second octave, Arabic with a dot over (like in jianpu) is the third octave, but these usually need some cross fingering. Other than that, it's pretty straightforward.
I don't know anything about komabue or nohkan notation, but my impression is that it's pretty trad. and esoteric. My impression is that, with a few exceptions, these instruments are pretty much used only for their traditional ensembles.
Hope this helps, please feel free to ask for more specifics.
K.
Oh, and yeah, very nice room!
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