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Post by biscuit on Jul 1, 2007 6:14:40 GMT
I've been trying to copy "horse racing" from a video on youtube, getting stuck at the part halfway through the piece that sounds like galloping. Does anyone have some tips for getting this bowing technique down? It looks like fun!
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Post by Curt Geesdorf on Jul 1, 2007 19:57:40 GMT
I've "horse racing" by Nine Phoenix Singing, recorded from CCTV E&F.
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Post by calden on Jul 1, 2007 22:48:21 GMT
Not sure exactly which part you mean, but can guess. Much of Sai Ma sounds like galloping, so....
Can you reference the video clip and give a time indication of where it comes up? We can view that particular version and then give some more specific feedback.
Carlos
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Post by song on Jul 2, 2007 2:02:31 GMT
Are you referring to the jumping bow part? where u fling the bow up and when it comes down it bounces 2 times?
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Post by biscuit on Jul 2, 2007 12:28:50 GMT
Yeah, I meant the jumping bow part. Is it called pao gong? I see, so you bounce the bow once going up and twice going down? I'll experiment with that for now - any tips for practicing? (one video of this peice is here www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V9JinlbpHw the part i was referring to is around 50 seconds)
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Post by calden on Jul 2, 2007 14:00:40 GMT
Thanks for the reference. That's the part I thought you'd be referring to.
Yeah, that ol' jumping bow trick. I was unable to do that until I had really drilled lots of slow practice and really focused on having a very supple wrist with lots of wrist movement. I assume you have the music for it and are following the standard bowings? La tui la tui tui, etc.
carlos
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Post by song on Jul 2, 2007 14:20:54 GMT
Yes its called pao gong.
To be frank this is a technique I always have problems getting a good sound.
When you lift up the bow its a full beat and when you let it bounce twice on the sound resonator its 2 half beats.
Try with the inner string first, it seems easier.
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Post by damien on Jul 3, 2007 19:01:42 GMT
Nobody has ever been able to tell me how to do this. I think you explained it well song, sounds simple but doing it is something else
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Post by jetz320 on Jul 4, 2007 0:00:16 GMT
Yeah. This technique is confusing. I was taught to just do the da da da dada.
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Post by biscuit on Jul 4, 2007 10:47:28 GMT
Oh you bounce it on the body! Thanks for explaining it... I was doing something completely different. I haven't managed a good sound on the inner string using this technique yet... doesn't seem like the easier string to me. Works fine on the outer string though. The bowings for this part are a bit hard to see on low res videos, but bouncing it on la and flinging it up on tui seems to work best for me.
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Post by song on Jul 4, 2007 13:38:02 GMT
Oh i got it mixed up. The outer string is easier to get a good sound.
You fling it up on the LA and bounce it twice on the TUI instead.
Sung Wah
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Post by song on Jul 6, 2007 4:03:43 GMT
I've seen some who fling it on the Tui and bounce it twice on the LA as well. I guess it works both ways.
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Post by biscuit on Jul 6, 2007 13:33:42 GMT
Good, I don't feel like changing bowing. Bouncing on the "down" bow feels more natural to me - its a bit closer to violin technique.
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Post by ogie1691 on Jul 9, 2007 16:11:23 GMT
Is there anybody that can explain exactly what pao gong involves? Specifically the pao gong in sai ma. In all the recordings I've heard there is some variation.
Is it bouncing the bow while drawing it across the string? Or is it some other sort of manipulation?
Thanks for the help,
Ryan
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Post by kc on Oct 7, 2007 20:10:21 GMT
After looking at lots of youtube videos, I've seen some performers turn the bow so that the stick is higher than the hair. I think it is so that the stick doesn't hit the body when you bounce.
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Post by wanggx on Oct 8, 2007 1:11:22 GMT
Is there anybody that can explain exactly what pao gong involves? Specifically the pao gong in sai ma. In all the recordings I've heard there is some variation. Is it bouncing the bow while drawing it across the string? Or is it some other sort of manipulation? Thanks for the help, Ryan Hi! You may want to take a look at this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXSRUU3_o6E Its Zhan Ma Ben Teng‘ðñR±¼òv. There is a small passage which requires the pao gong.You can try holding the bow tightly and fling in the clockwise direction.If it's done correctly, you will be able have a "1 quaver, 2 semiquaver" type of rhythm.Hope this is helpful ;D
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Post by karmeleon on Nov 28, 2007 14:36:00 GMT
Is there anybody that can explain exactly what pao gong involves? Specifically the pao gong in sai ma. In all the recordings I've heard there is some variation. I took a video of a boy demonstrating this "Pao Gong" technique recently. It's not a closeup video though. Would this help? www.youtube.com/watch?v=57DzZJugvMkSAM
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