Post by UtmostVacuity on Sept 9, 2004 1:24:34 GMT
OK, maybe I should wait for more qin players to arrive. But I'm sure Charlie has something to say on this.
As I see it, there is no *one* correct way to perform a technique, but rather a correct *range* that can take account of the shape and size of the player's fingers and idiosyncrasies of power and comfort. Let's focus on the left hand, specifically on the thumb as it depresses the strings.
Now, in various pictures of masters demonstrating, I've seen the string intersect the thumb at all kinds of places, from pretty near the end of the tip to all the way back at the root of the nail. I've also encountered different instructions about how much flesh vs nail should be used. My own history with the technique covers pretty much this whole range. When I started out I used the nail near the edge, and cut a deep groove in the nail itself. It took me over a year to realize that nail growth necessitated that any groove move *forward*! I always confusedly found my groove all the way at the front of the nail, meaning I was trying to stop the string with a suspended length of nail virtually on the central axis of the digit. But often I would cut the nail and start over at the initial position. Finally my teacher told me to stop this nonsense and try depressing the string further back on the side of the thumb. See, the final segment of my thumb is nearly twice as long as hers, meaning that distances didn't work the same between us.
When I started using more the side of my thumb, I noticed that pressure on the nail in this area was significantly more painful. And since a groove in the nail would always move forward, I decided to rely more on flesh. Now it took me almost a year of playing to get my ring finger *solid*, smooth, hard, impervious to pain, and under control. I counted this a major milestone! Currently I'm working on bringing the thumb up to speed, and I'm excavating a groove in the flesh near the root of the nail. It's *intensely* painful to develop, but I have my ring finger as a proud example of what happens with enough pain!
So, Charlie (and anyone else out there), do you have any thoughts on this matter? What specifically did Li Xiangting recommend about your fingering? Where did he depress the string on his thumb? I don't know if anyone else shares this experience, but when people ask me what playing the qin is like, my first response is usually "agonizing". I literally don't want to teach anyone in my life, because I don't want someone to go through this much pain and frustration just in order to arrive at basic technique.
As I see it, there is no *one* correct way to perform a technique, but rather a correct *range* that can take account of the shape and size of the player's fingers and idiosyncrasies of power and comfort. Let's focus on the left hand, specifically on the thumb as it depresses the strings.
Now, in various pictures of masters demonstrating, I've seen the string intersect the thumb at all kinds of places, from pretty near the end of the tip to all the way back at the root of the nail. I've also encountered different instructions about how much flesh vs nail should be used. My own history with the technique covers pretty much this whole range. When I started out I used the nail near the edge, and cut a deep groove in the nail itself. It took me over a year to realize that nail growth necessitated that any groove move *forward*! I always confusedly found my groove all the way at the front of the nail, meaning I was trying to stop the string with a suspended length of nail virtually on the central axis of the digit. But often I would cut the nail and start over at the initial position. Finally my teacher told me to stop this nonsense and try depressing the string further back on the side of the thumb. See, the final segment of my thumb is nearly twice as long as hers, meaning that distances didn't work the same between us.
When I started using more the side of my thumb, I noticed that pressure on the nail in this area was significantly more painful. And since a groove in the nail would always move forward, I decided to rely more on flesh. Now it took me almost a year of playing to get my ring finger *solid*, smooth, hard, impervious to pain, and under control. I counted this a major milestone! Currently I'm working on bringing the thumb up to speed, and I'm excavating a groove in the flesh near the root of the nail. It's *intensely* painful to develop, but I have my ring finger as a proud example of what happens with enough pain!
So, Charlie (and anyone else out there), do you have any thoughts on this matter? What specifically did Li Xiangting recommend about your fingering? Where did he depress the string on his thumb? I don't know if anyone else shares this experience, but when people ask me what playing the qin is like, my first response is usually "agonizing". I literally don't want to teach anyone in my life, because I don't want someone to go through this much pain and frustration just in order to arrive at basic technique.