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Post by wfranklin on May 4, 2006 5:18:56 GMT
does anyone have a transcription of mongolian horse race that they don't mind sharing? i'm no where near good enough to play it on erhu, but i can definitely pull it off on guitar. also, does anyone know of a really good recording of it?
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Post by davidmdahl on May 4, 2006 16:46:03 GMT
Are you looking for Sai Ma in staff notation? I am afraid that I only have it in Jianpu numeric notation. Will that be of use?
Sai Ma is one of the more frequently performed erhu tunes, so you will find it on just about every other erhu CD. Any performance on CD is likely to be fine at least. My favorite is a version for erhu with guzheng. I love the instrumentation and pace. Often times Sai Ma is played at breakneck speed, and I think the music is better when the pace is more reasonable. I don't have the details on this CD available at the moment, but will post them when I can.
Best wishes,
David
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Post by davidmdahl on May 4, 2006 18:26:07 GMT
For an excellent CD of erhu & guzheng that includes Sai Ma, check out the following site: pages.infinit.net/shenqi/cdalbum.htmI like the pairing of erhu with guzheng much better than with yangqin. Best wishes, David |
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Post by wfranklin on May 5, 2006 13:12:04 GMT
numeric notation is prefered and thanks for the info
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Post by davidmdahl on May 5, 2006 15:07:55 GMT
You can download the Jianpu score for Sai Ma from Cadenza at: www.cadenzamusic.biz/scores.htmThe erhu section is at the bottom. The link for Sai Ma is row six and column. Right click on the characters and choose Save Target As..., presuming that you are using Internet Explorer. You will need to use some sort of graphics program to cut the image up into an appropriate number of lines per page. Best wishes, David |
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Post by calden on May 5, 2006 16:01:11 GMT
Ill notate a version of Sai Ma. It's not hard- it'll take about 20 minutes. I'll have it done by tomorrow and save it as an available PDF. I'd do it now but I have to get to work, then this afternoon run over some material for a gig I have tonight.
carlos
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Post by calden on May 6, 2006 16:46:55 GMT
wfranklin:
Didn't read your follow-up note that you wanted numeric notation, and I went ahead and finished my western notation of Sai Ma.
So just in case anyone wants one, I've got a PDF of a notated Sai Ma. Let me know and I'll email it to ya.
Carlos
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Post by karl on May 7, 2006 18:26:01 GMT
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Post by song on May 9, 2006 13:59:33 GMT
Hi Franklin, I would love to hear your version of mongolian horse race on the guitar. I've seen a chinese dude play it using an electric guitar with overdrive. Anyway, here's a reasonably decent recording of Saima for you: www.eason.com.sg/mp3/Erhu/SaiMa.mp3Are there any forum rules against sharing of mp3 files? Regards, Sung Wah |
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Post by calden on May 9, 2006 14:43:54 GMT
Song:
Nice to see you here.
No rules about directing others towards files, but it's always good to not freely give away tunes that artists are selling for their income!
Carlos
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Post by song on May 9, 2006 15:29:19 GMT
How's it going Carlos?
I hear you loud and clear... Perhaps I won't reveal which artiste did the recording. That should lessen the damage.
Sung Wah
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Post by davidmdahl on May 9, 2006 17:18:04 GMT
Thanks for the Sai Ma file, Sung Wah. You might edit out the period at the end of the link. My browser thought that was part of the URL.
Regarding the sharing of MP3s and other sound files, I don't remember if we have a policy on that (Charlie?) In many cases, the sound files are already available somewhere on the web, perhaps even the artists' sites. All that is necessary is to post a link. I have been known to share sound files privately, particularly when the CD is unavailable or very hard to find. My personal philosophy and practice is to purchase legal CDs of the music I listen to. After all, we do want to encourage the recording of more traditional Chinese music.
Best wishes,
David
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Post by Charlie Huang on May 9, 2006 17:34:45 GMT
As long as it doesn't bring us lawsuit and calamity, then be my guest!
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Post by davidmdahl on May 9, 2006 20:03:33 GMT
As long as it doesn't bring us lawsuit and calamity, then be my guest! Until trad. Chinese music is distributed by Sony et al, I think we are safe.  The main concern is fairness to the artists. Hopefully, as long as we are sharing samples of this and that rather than downloads of entire CDs, we are more likely to encourage the purchase of CDs. Getting back to the music, I am finding how much it is to play tunes in F on the erhu. Sai Ma is only one of several that I know with a fun fast or otherwise exuberant section that lies well under the fingers. It seems that if a tune has "horse" or "camel" in the title, the key is F. Is that my imagination? Best wishes, David |
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Post by calden on May 9, 2006 21:48:03 GMT
MP3 issues:
I'm assuming that we all are sharing only freely available MP3s. Of course, posting a link to a soundfile on a website is totally legitimate and legal.
I'm with David in that we ought to respect that an artist uses MP3s as part of his or her income. My band has lots of music available on the internet (CDBaby, MSN, iTunes, etc.) and I'm pretty tough on people who freely give it away. I might share a tune with someone and truncate the length so it's "crippled", or convert it to have less fidelity, but in hopes that they will buy the full CD. I'll sometimes burn a CD and give it to someone with the provision that if they like it they'll buy the CD.
Carlos
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Post by song on May 10, 2006 0:13:20 GMT
Sounds like a plan Carlos. I will convert future sound files to very low fidelity good enough for education purposes, but not for listening pleasure. Speaking of which, David you should check out Zhan Ma Ben Teng. It starts off in G and ends in G but the main body is played in F. It's played in blistering speed and uses interesting antics to mimic horses and their galloping. But hey, its in F and about animals too. You can download the sample here: www.eason.com.sg/mp3/Erhu/ZhanMaBenTeng.mp3 |
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Post by davidmdahl on May 10, 2006 16:19:01 GMT
Speaking of which, David you should check out Zhan Ma Ben Teng. It starts off in G and ends in G but the main body is played in F. It's played in blistering speed and uses interesting antics to mimic horses and their galloping. But hey, its in F and about animals too. Thanks for the sound file. The quality was plenty good enough to listen to without leaving me so enraptured as to not get any work done all morning. So, there is yet another horse tune in F. Is this key popular for these tunes due to the relative ease of playing fast? I wonder what keys are popular on the matouqin (morin khur) mongolian fiddle for playing similar tunes. Best wishes, David |
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Post by song on May 11, 2006 15:07:05 GMT
Unfortunately, I know nothing about MatouQin... But here's another tune in F and about galloping horses. Its called Ben Chi Zai Qian Li Cao Yuan. In English it means "galloping in the 100 miles meadows" - about some herdsmen in the meadows. Take note of the begining part where spiccato or bouncing bow is used to play the fast notes. Have posted the first minute of the tune here if you're interested: www.eason.com.sg/mp3/Erhu/BenChi.mp3I think F key has a relative easy fingering to play fast notes. If you notice, most string of fast notes in traditional chinese tunes use the major pentatonic scale i.e. contains the notes 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, usually without 4 and 7. Take the SaiMa for example, the first part of busy fingers are the notes 1 6 1 2 3 2 3 5 6 5 6 1 5 6 3 2 3 2 1 2 1 6 1 6. You can easily play those notes in F without shifting your left hand position. Sung Wah |
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Post by davidmdahl on May 11, 2006 19:47:57 GMT
Thanks for the tune, Sung Wah. I do like playing in F, although my camel is not racing very fast just yet. I have only been playing La Luo Tuo for a week, so I am still working at getting the notes in my fingers. Actually the bowing is much more of a challenge. It will come. Then I imagine that Sai Ma will be my assignment. Well, maybe I need to get Xi Yang Yang under control before I get on a fast horse. ;D
Best wishes,
David
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Post by davidbadagnani on May 12, 2006 3:23:15 GMT
I'm not sure if I'm correct about this, but tunes that are labeled 1 = F (F diao) are actually what would be called D minor in Western music. That would fit with the typical "sound" of Mongolian music, which has a preference for minor keys (at least that first interval being a minor third.
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Post by calden on May 12, 2006 3:30:45 GMT
David:
Thank you. I always get fidgety when I see minor tunes referred to in their relative major keys. Let's just call it what it is. In fact, I prefer to think of the Sai Ma type tunes as real rock and rollers. Why, they've even got a few flat fifths in them and sound quite bluesy to my ears.
Carlos
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Post by damien on Sept 7, 2006 19:53:55 GMT
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Post by davidmdahl on Sept 7, 2006 21:01:39 GMT
The little girl sure has the technique down, but I don't hear much else other than speed. I would rather hear Sai Ma a little slower with some musical expression.
All the same, I would love to have those chops. <g>
Best wishes,
David
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Post by paulv on Sept 8, 2006 12:39:50 GMT
................. All the same, I would love to have those chops. <g> ......................... Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Regards, paul.... |
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The main concern is fairness to the artists. Hopefully, as long as we are sharing samples of this and that rather than downloads of entire CDs, we are more likely to encourage the purchase of CDs.
