What's die juan(îÃ) ?

[guzhenglover]

Dear all

Can someone please tell me what "die juan" (îÃ) stands for (I think that's how it's pronounced, but I am not sure...)? It's a plucking/strumming technique I think usually involving 2 strings, but there seems to be different accounts in different guqin sources that I've been reading up on. Can you also tell us how this technique should be executed?

If you don't know what I am on about, it's what exercise 7 is based on in GY's green qin book (however, I believe that there are different ways of executing this technique in different contexts, which may be entirely different from what's in this particular exercise).

Thanks people.

[guzhenglover]

I think I know now, but pls correct me if I am wrong: to execute die juan on, say, strings 6 and 7, I use muo going from string 6 to 7, then gou on string 6.

[charliecharlieecho]

According to Wu Wenguang it's a mo followed by a gou on a single string, but some tablatures require it to be done on two. If yours is one of them, your interpretation of the instruction is correct.

[Si]

and i have seen 2 ways to write it as well.

[charliecharlieecho]

A bit more information. The stuff from WWG comes from his blue book, no. 58 on p. 509 (Chinese) and 517 (English).

GY doesn't list diejuan but at the bottom of p. 28 has 扶 which fits gzl's description exactly in one version, but deviates from it in others.

[Charlie Huang]

Die juan et al. is a headache! Many different interpratations depending on the qinpu, score and school! It can mean either of several things:

1. A quick mou and gou on a string (most common)
2. A quick mou on two strings followed by a gou on those two same strings (i.e. common quanfu)
3. If a gou is conjoined to the juan; quickly mou and gou first/top string and follow it up with a gou on the second/bottom string (GLS, et cetera)
4. A mou (or gou) on two strings one after the other

There are others which I don't remember.

[Si]

GY doesn't list diejuan but at the bottom of p. 28 has ·ö which fits gzl's description exactly in one version, but deviates from it in others.

That seems odd cos I learn Lin Zhong Yi from his green book that was da pu'ed b him, and that features diejuan.