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Xun
Mar 20, 2013 0:33:00 GMT
Post by edcat7 on Mar 20, 2013 0:33:00 GMT
Hi Matt,
so you're making xuns out of carrot? I'd love to listen to that. As a bit of fun, that's great but isn't it limited to the number of holes there are.
Hongueqi, as a taster, sent me xun scores via email, (the backing tracks on cd is on it's way). I've only had a very quick look but unusually the 9 hole xun offers more notes than the 10 hole one. It now seems a 9 hole E will be on my distant shopping list.
I'll not be using a non-paypal accepted vendor again.
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Xun
Mar 20, 2013 6:28:15 GMT
Post by Flolei on Mar 20, 2013 6:28:15 GMT
Ed, please, explain a little what you mean with "I've only had a very quick look but unusually the 9 hole xun offers more notes than the 10 hole one". With my 9-holes dizi, which is very nice to play, I can't play the high 3. The 10-holes one can play it, can't it?
And why an E one?
And do you have an Eason xun? They are 9-holes, right? I'll very happy if someone could give me an advice about them.
Have a nice day,
Flolei
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Xun
Mar 20, 2013 10:37:40 GMT
Post by edcat7 on Mar 20, 2013 10:37:40 GMT
Flo,
Late for work. But at a glance some of the scores have .3 and .4. There may also be .2 though I really haven't had a good look at the scores. These notes aren't available on a 10 hole xun but is on a 9 hole one. I think the highest my 10 hole will go is .2
The scores and backing music is for all keys of xun. Most of the tunes are in F and G but also for E, C and Bb.
I haven't got an Eason xun but since he's reliable and stock different keys of xun that's where I'll get my next one from.
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Xun
Mar 20, 2013 10:57:02 GMT
Post by Flolei on Mar 20, 2013 10:57:02 GMT
With 9-holes xun you can play low 6 and 7 (with lips position; some people reach low 5, but I can't), 1 (all holes are covered),2,3,4,5,6,7, high 1 (only 2 thumbs on), high 2 and 3 (no covered hole; sorry, I made a mistake, I can't reach 4 and 5). With a 10-holes I thought that you can also reach 4 and 4#. I really don't understand how it could be possible to reach more than high 3 with 9 holes xun. Maybe the score doesn't need lowest notes, then you can play lower and reach high notes. But it doesn't mean that 9-holes xun can play more notes. In my opinion, it's physically impossible.
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Xun
Mar 20, 2013 23:49:09 GMT
Post by edcat7 on Mar 20, 2013 23:49:09 GMT
Flo
After "things" come to an unhappy conclusion I'll have more time to study the scores.
Best wishes
Ed
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Xun
Mar 22, 2013 0:18:37 GMT
Post by armillary on Mar 22, 2013 0:18:37 GMT
Hi, by matt do you mean me? I apologize if you were replying to someone else. The Xun are made from general quality stoneware, turned on a wheel or slab built. I've experimented with adding more tone holes but I quickly loose the sound, I'm in the process of making a very deep one that I'm having difficulty getting the higher notes from. That being said I'm currently a student, selling these Xun for ~$10 to support my schools Art dept. I'll post some pictures and sound clips as soon as I'm able to get a few.
Thanks
Stephen
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Xun
Mar 22, 2013 0:26:32 GMT
Post by edcat7 on Mar 22, 2013 0:26:32 GMT
Sorry Stephen, now why did I call you Matt?
Now that I would love to see. How large can you make them? Now one the size of a honeymelon would sound interesting.
Ed
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Xun
Mar 23, 2013 0:02:51 GMT
Post by armillary on Mar 23, 2013 0:02:51 GMT
Hi ed, I'm experimenting with the idea of building a huge cylindrical Xun in multiple parts. I was able to locate a few pictures of one Xun but I was unable to find my others so far. I noticed that many of the Xun sold are unglazed or matte glazed, I wonder if this affects the sound at all. Currently the size is only limited to the size of the wheel I'm turning it on and how much my instructor will let me use.
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Xun
Mar 23, 2013 1:22:12 GMT
Post by edcat7 on Mar 23, 2013 1:22:12 GMT
Wow, that is so cool!, you could sell them an ebay for alot more than $10 (I also love the elephant)
I not sure whether unglazed/glazed makes any difference. You're in the best position to find out. However I have a teracotta one and saw a picture of one immersed in water. So I remembered what I know about seasoning Yixing teapots and soaked mine in water too.
A moot point but are you able to make them more egg-shaped?
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Xun
Mar 23, 2013 2:24:45 GMT
Post by armillary on Mar 23, 2013 2:24:45 GMT
I might try ebay when I'm able to make a few more. I'm actually not the one who made the surrounding pottery, those were others in the pottery class but I think I know who's work your referring to and I'll pass along your praise . I've tried to make the egg shape but so far I haven't been able to get it right.
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Xun
Mar 23, 2013 21:09:34 GMT
Post by Flolei on Mar 23, 2013 21:09:34 GMT
Because I've found so much different fimgering charts for the same instrument (9-holes xun), I decided to take my instrument and to decide with a tuner with fingering is the most suitable. I've found that the fingering from "Sound of Nature" website is quite good but need to be completed and a little modified. Here is the result. Attachments:
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Xun
Mar 23, 2013 23:50:02 GMT
Post by edcat7 on Mar 23, 2013 23:50:02 GMT
Thanks Flo for the future reference. I don't understand it but I'll figure it out....like my 8 and 10 hole xuns.
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Xun
Mar 28, 2013 17:35:28 GMT
Post by armillary on Mar 28, 2013 17:35:28 GMT
I've taken a sound sample of one of my Xun. This particular item isn't tuned to any scale, I just thought it sounded nice. [glow=red,2,300] soundcloud.com/armillary/xun-sample-box28[/glow] It's a rough sample, I'll try to make a cleaner recording when I'm able to. I was able to turn an egg shape but it's very small, only a few inches high.
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Xun
Apr 9, 2013 0:56:58 GMT
Post by armillary on Apr 9, 2013 0:56:58 GMT
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Xun
Apr 9, 2013 10:41:05 GMT
Post by edcat7 on Apr 9, 2013 10:41:05 GMT
Can't see the photos. How does one open the boxes?
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Xun
Apr 9, 2013 15:19:27 GMT
Post by davidmdahl on Apr 9, 2013 15:19:27 GMT
Can't see the photos. How does one open the boxes? I can see the photos. Ed, maybe you have some security settings in your browser that is blocking the photos. Best wishes, David
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Xun
Apr 11, 2013 23:51:16 GMT
Post by armillary on Apr 11, 2013 23:51:16 GMT
Are you still having trouble with the images Ed? I can post links if you'd like.
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Xun
Apr 12, 2013 9:29:29 GMT
Post by edcat7 on Apr 12, 2013 9:29:29 GMT
Something has happened to my laptop and I have no idea what to do. Until only recently I could only turn on the computer and then be completely puzzled. (This is from a guy who read (for a while) computing at university!)
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Xun
May 6, 2013 19:02:23 GMT
Post by Flolei on May 6, 2013 19:02:23 GMT
Hi, dear colleagues! I'm back with xun and would like to ask you which instrument you would use for a theatre performance (I'll play the piece in the middle of a representation of Lu Xun's short drama). I already have an idea, what I'll do, but I'm still hesitating, therefore I'll be grateful if you'll give me your opinion. Here are the link to the recordings: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBrhpnDdWxUwww.youtube.com/watch?v=kCP2ZCOMKm8Please, keep in mind that in the second recording I already know better the song. My question is more about tone and intonation. It would be better to hear it without microphone and reverb, but the files are too heavy for the forum. Anyway, I use the same reverb for the both recordings. The performance, where I'll play xun, xiao and dizi, will be at the begining of June, so I have still time enough to make a decision. Best wishes to all of you, Flolei
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Xun
May 7, 2013 22:45:28 GMT
Post by Blue on May 7, 2013 22:45:28 GMT
What goes on in Lu Xun's short drama? In particular, what are the characters doing, feeling, or expressing? If the song is focusing on a particular character, could you provide a character profile including the pitch of the character's voice? This might help answer the question of which xun is more appropriate to use.
But without such information, I would prefer the first xun recording as it sounds like it has more range to it. It's a little tough constantly switching between two youtube videos in making the comparison though.
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Xun
May 9, 2013 17:18:53 GMT
Post by Flolei on May 9, 2013 17:18:53 GMT
Dear Allen,
Thanks to have tried to give me your opinion. Actually the important point I forgot to mention is that the music will not be the only thing on the stage at that moment. While I'll play the piece with xun, a colleague with show some Tai-chi-chuan movements. The music with only accompain this show. Therefore I'm still hesitating. You're right, the second xun has less dynamics range, but its tone is mellower and might be suitable for accompaniment.
Actually I think I'll choose the first one... but for another reason. Although the holes are not placed in a very confortable way on it, it's easier to blow. I can each time get very clearly each note, even the lowest and the highest ones. Funny detail: now, after a hard work with the second xun, I can reach with the first one even the low 5 that I never got before!
Anyway, thanks again for your attention and you opinion.
Best regards,
Flolei
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Xun
Jun 12, 2013 17:50:03 GMT
Post by Flolei on Jun 12, 2013 17:50:03 GMT
Hello, You can see the result of my xun playing at the theatre performance here: v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTcwNjYzMDg0.html(This is the new link, the only one which is now aviable). Finally, I used also xun for accompaining my friend who was singing Yangguansandie around the end of the performance (firstly I wanted to play it with xiao). It sounded nice too. Best to all of you, Flolei
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Xun
Jun 13, 2013 7:21:02 GMT
Post by davidmdahl on Jun 13, 2013 7:21:02 GMT
Hello, You can see the result of my xun playing at the theatre performance here: v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTY5NjY2Mjg0.htmlFinally, I used also xun for accompaining my friend who was singing Yangguansandie around the end of the performance (firstly I wanted to play it with xiao). It sounded nice too. Best to all of you, Flolei Sounds great, Flolei! Well done. Best wishes, David
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Xun
Jun 17, 2013 15:44:16 GMT
Post by Blue on Jun 17, 2013 15:44:16 GMT
Several comments (please don't take it too harshly):
I wished they could have amplified your xun a little more, at least to the volume level of that guy making a speech.
BTW, is the person making a speech talking with a slight non-native Chinese accent? It almost sounds like a non-Chinese exaggerating the tongue rolling of the mainland Chinese accent. (Sorry, I'm too biased against tongue rolling, especially when most people don't do that in Taiwan. I could do the tongue rolling much better than a typical Taiwanese, but I just hate doing it because it simply gives me goose bumps. Kinda analogous to me not being used to a British accent or Australian accent, although I almost found myself talking in a slight Australian accent by staying too long in Australia.).
Also, did they deliberately direct the dry ice fumes to move in a certain direction? I know of a certain xiao player who tries to synchronize his xiao playing with respect to the movement of incense smoke!
Finally, why did you have to kneel playing the xun? I don't think that would be the most comfortable position playing. Granted, however, you probably had to do that because most people were actually lying on the ground. If you were standing, you might have distracted the audience from the tai chi movements or the person sitting on the right.
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Xun
Jun 18, 2013 5:47:25 GMT
Post by Flolei on Jun 18, 2013 5:47:25 GMT
Dear Allen, Thanks for your comments which shows that you watched carefully at this video! Some answers: 1) Maybe I made the mistake when I prepared the video because the text was almost impossible to understand. The xun was actually louder than the text. 2) All actors are Slovene students of sinology. I suppose that rolling consonants is actually a Slovene accent (some students do the same when they speak French); I guess it is difficult to perfom in Mandarin when you have no Chinese roots and learn Mandarin from your 20th year. As my Chinese is too poor, I can't have an opinion about the prononciation, tones, etc. Thank you for your opinion, it's interesting to know how it sounds for other people. 3) For the smoke, the director wanted to create a quite mysterious athnosphere without any realistic or other considerations. Smoke is not very pleasant when you are on the stage, but I must confess that as an audience I find it great. 4) All you said about the position of dancers is true, but I must confess that I decided to play on my knees; the position is not unconfortable if you play only less than 6 minutes and I was afraid to be too nervous and break my xun if it would fall from 1,5 m on the floor. Yes, I'm such a nervous person. Thanks again and best regards to you.
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