Executing double lun?

[guzhenglover]

Does anyone have any useful tip on perfecting shuan lun, or double lun? I am finding it quite easy now to execute a normal lun, but double lun is an entirely different story and it comes across as rather difficult - esp. when the strings on which the double lun is to be executed spreads across two strings and not on either the 6th or the 7th string. Maybe it's just practice and more practice. I understand, however, that double lun appears rarely in guqin repertoire.

Guzhenglover

[Charlie Huang]

Er, never heard a situation of a 'double' lun. Where is this used? Name of piece, etc?

[guzhenglover]

It's on the first page of Wu Wenguang's dapu of You Lan (you know, from this really thick volume of guqin collections by Wu).

[charliecharlieecho]

charlie: see the last measure on p. 133 of the Wu blue book.

guzhenglover: what WWG seems to be suggesting is a zhai across strings 5 and 4 stopped at the 9th hui, followed by a ti across the same strings similarly stopped (all four being 32nd notes), followed by a quarter note tiao on string 5 and an 8th note on string 4 (both stopped at hui 9) and then an quarter note tiao on string 4, during which you shang to hui 8, zhuang and finally qiaqi with your ring finger at hui 9.

OK, that's AN answer but does it answer the question you had in mind?

[guzhenglover]

Thanks for your response. Actually the double lun is in the last measure of the THIRD line on p133. I've had instruction as to how the double lun should be executed - it's a bit similar to a normal lun but more difficult to master technically - and I was just wondering if anyone of you knows a clever way of making this work. As I mentioned previously, I understand that double lun hardly ever appears in the guqin repertoire.

Jun 3, 2010 9:53:36 GMT charliecharlieecho said:

charlie: see the last measure on p. 133 of the Wu blue book.

guzhenglover: what WWG seems to be suggesting is a zhai across strings 5 and 4 stopped at the 9th hui, followed by a ti across the same strings similarly stopped (all four being 32nd notes), followed by a quarter note tiao on string 5 and an 8th note on string 4 (both stopped at hui 9) and then an quarter note tiao on string 4, during which you shang to hui 8, zhuang and finally qiaqi with your ring finger at hui 9.

OK, that's AN answer but does it answer the question you had in mind?

[Charlie Huang]

That's WWG's interpretation of the chuzhuan (name going by memory here...) technique in modern tab form. Basically zhai over V and IV and followed with ti then tiao over said V and IV.