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Post by carol on Jan 28, 2006 15:49:19 GMT
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jan 28, 2006 16:40:26 GMT
That make your own Guzheng workshop looks mouth-watering! I'll be kicking myself if it was a guqin one (well, impossible to complete in a few sessions, but still)!
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Post by pk on Jan 29, 2006 13:14:58 GMT
If an event is sanctioned by the HK government, it doesn't necessarily guarantee any kind of outstanding quality. Usually not.
Of course, I hold Master Xu Zhen Gao in great respect.
I have seen some of this festival event already, and it seems to be financed by Dunhuang. I have seen several Dunhuang instruments on display.
Anyway, any kind of promotion of guzheng is appreciated.
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Post by YouLanFengChune on Jan 29, 2006 13:23:04 GMT
A similar sessionm nwill be in sinagpore in 27 june...
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Post by sanmenxia on Jan 29, 2006 14:05:54 GMT
Hi pk, I think your comments regarding HK and culture are very interesting, could you explain a little bit more? What agenda are these people trying to promote? Are they administrators or performers? Many of the names on the website have pinyin names, is this a HK verses mainland thing? Who are the good guzheng players in HK? I'd love to hear what you think.
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Post by carol on Jan 29, 2006 17:48:06 GMT
I remembered the Guqin Festival in Taipei back in 2000 was great. It was host by Taipei City Government. I got the chance to see museum exhibition of 300 precious guqins, which the government borrowed from collectors all over the world. There was also a week long seminar taught by famous players all over the world. Then, of course, series of concerts in the whole 2 months period.
I think it's something I will never forget in my life. If they had a "Make Your Own Guqin" workshop, that will be perfect!
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Post by sleepy on Jan 29, 2006 22:40:05 GMT
If an event is sanctioned by the HK government, it doesn't necessarily guarantee any kind of outstanding quality. Usually not, and even more so in Hong Kong. Not sure if such comment has anything to do with this particular event, or if the poster is trying to express something else...Would you please expound on it? HK is well known for being rather low class in terms of culture (and corrupt too). People grab positions withing government-financed schools and musical bodies and use them to promote their own agendas. "Low class" and "corrupt"? This seems to be a rather generalized notion, and perhaps out-of-date too (it might be "low" and "corrupt" some 30 or 40 yrs ago). Hong Kong's "high" cultural activities are very well promoted, and then I've read an article somewhere that says in Hong Kong the general age of classical music audience are younger than that in other western cities which are thought to have high culture developed!
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Post by pk on Jan 30, 2006 0:52:42 GMT
For one, the great guzheng virtuosi were not invited, but only the friends and family members of the government and the HKCO establishment.
[glow=yellow,2,500]Perhaps some of you have heard of the great "Vienna Philharmoniker". It is the greatest orchestra in the world. One reason for being so is that they manage their orchestra democratically - each member (musician) votes to choose the other musician, their conductor and business manager.[/glow]
In comparison, the HKCO is directed from the top, which is very totalitarian.
Of course, it is good to give a chance to the HK Police force orchestra, but give me a break!
Really, the event is organized by Dunhuang and their Hong Kong dealers (while the HK taxpayers pick up most of the tab).
The organizers of this event have their own way to promote the guzheng instrument. Promotion of guzheng is something that needs to be done in Hong Kong. Of course, the activity has other (commercial) motives, which is not a negative thing. (Nothing is free and large scale effort is expensive. The revenue must be taken from somewhere.)
Promotion of the Guzheng is honorable activity, no matter who is doing it and how.
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Post by carol on Jan 30, 2006 2:26:01 GMT
I think all the big guzheng events are sponsored by instrument factories. They are the only ones in the guzheng field who have the bucks. Poor musicians or schools certainly don't have the ability to host such big event.
I don't think it matters any way, since all people who love guzheng enjoy the benefits. And it's up to your own judgement whether to buy the promoted brand.
The programs look impressive to me. Our guzheng prince Wang Zhongshan is invited! Great masters such as Zhou Yenjia, Yang Xiuming, Hong See-wah are invited. It's not easy to see these old masters' performance nowaday.
Luo Jing and Xu Lingzi are also invited. I think these two are the best guzheng virtuosi based in Hong Kong. I know people will say both Luo Jing and Xu Lingzi came from mainland China, but no body can deny their great contribution to HK guzheng community.
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Post by pk on Jan 30, 2006 5:05:51 GMT
Luo Jing and Xu Lingzi are also invited. I think these two are the best guzheng virtuosi based in Hong Kong. In my own humble opinion, I dare to disagree with the above quote. But that's just my own opinion.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 30, 2006 6:51:56 GMT
Luo Jing and Xu Lingzi are also invited. I think these two are the best guzheng virtuosi based in Hong Kong. In my own humble opinion, I dare to disagree with the above quote. But that's just my own opinion. So, in your opinion (again), which great guzheng virtuosi (or a certain "virtuoso"?) the organizers have failed to invite?
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Post by pk on Jan 30, 2006 10:08:07 GMT
Many, which includes Master Wang Chang Yuan.
By the way, anybody wants to buy a guqin made by Master Xu Zhen Gao, I have one for sale.
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Post by YouLanFengChune on Jan 30, 2006 15:24:04 GMT
oh no,
I dun think he ever made guqin!!!!
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jan 30, 2006 15:44:37 GMT
oh no, I dun think he ever made guqin!!!! That's what I thought. Unless there's a secret government conspiracy to cover the fact from me and most of the guqin community... *looks over shoulder*
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Post by carol on Jan 30, 2006 16:24:31 GMT
Ah, I forgot Wang Changyuan? When did she move to Hong Kong? I thought she is based in New York and is currently touring around the world. I guess my information is outdated then.
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Post by Vi An on Jan 30, 2006 21:00:26 GMT
Can I see pictures of all of these guzheng virtuosi, please and thank you? ?? There is one in particular who I admire greatly which I have seen on a concert VCD but do not know who she is. Vi An
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Post by gili on Jan 30, 2006 21:49:34 GMT
'In my humble opinion', Luo Jing and Xu Lingzi are both great guzheng musicians based on their musical recordings and productions. Wang Changyuan is no doubt a great composer and musician and I deeply respect her contribution to guzheng despite my favorite version of 'Battling with Typhoon' happened to be played by some other famous guzheng musician. So in my small knowledge of famous guzheng players, they are all good. I'm just not so sure about some other guzheng players who tried too hard to fool less experienced students that they are 'master' this and 'master' that. Ultimately, if a guzheng player is good then s/he would be recgonized from his/her musical supporters' hearts.
By the way, corruption is ubiquitous and certainly not unique of HK. What matters is if the condition is improving over time.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 31, 2006 2:26:16 GMT
Many, which includes Master Wang Chang Yuan. I don't think anyone can make allegation that an event is corrupt or "low-class" when certain individuals are not invited—who really knows why they aren't invited and frankly, who really cares? Except for the uninvited I guess—then such a notion would just be a result of personal sentiments. As for Luo Jing, Xu Lingzhi or any other on the invited list, no matter what personal opinions you might have for them, many of them DO HAVE undeniable recognition & achievements in the field and they deserve to be respected as musicians who devote their life on teaching and promoting the art of guzheng.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jan 31, 2006 9:54:44 GMT
"Mistress" Vi-an wasn't invited, therefore I'm going to complain... *storms out of room*
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Post by carol on Jan 31, 2006 16:02:34 GMT
Vi An:
Which concert VCD are you talking about?
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Post by Vi An on Jan 31, 2006 18:54:14 GMT
"Mistress" Vi-an wasn't invited, therefore I'm going to complain... *storms out of room* *Rolling on floor laughing my brain out and clenching stomach* Sooooooo painful, soooooooo fun Charlie! Thats the sweetest comment I have ever had! You made my day -- you rock! Carol: The VCD I'm talking about above is -- "Vienna Special Performance Concert" This girl performed "Fragrant Jasmine" and her name has two characters the last character looks like the character for sing?? She is the most beautiful performer I have seen and totally not "flowery" and her sense of timing and rhythm for this piece is the BEST I have heard and seen YET!! She is my idol! Thanks both, Vi An
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Post by Vi An on Jan 31, 2006 19:02:34 GMT
Yaaaah! Why am I not at this festival, I should be there -- I could learn a thing or two! What am I doing in Canada?! I should gather up some money and fly to it RIGHT NOW. *Sigh* I'm so lame! But I am seriously considering running away from home *CANADA* for atleast a good 6 months and seek out a kind and generous mentor of guzheng or koto or dan tranh and learn more! The down fall of self taught are many and besides one day I'd also like to be recognized as a "great" contributor to the guzheng world of beauty, grace and simplicity. That is a goal I realistically strive towards. I will become an inovator for the "frowned" upon 26 + stringed guzheng instruments, I will remain an improviser but WILL attain more skills in time and develop my own unique techniques in the mean time. I will offer MORE hands on workshops for kids everywhere to help them bring out the natural musical gift within them, without the means of strict and RIGID learning. Just kind and genorous teaching FOR FREE!!! I always loved to learn but I never had been given the time or funds to go and learn, I regret this very much. Here I am now creating and producing and contributing continuously to the guzheng passion around the world via net and I WAS NOT INVITED at this festival?! *Giggles* Oh well, next year Vi An
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Post by carol on Jan 31, 2006 20:57:56 GMT
I think you mean Luo Jing. Her "Jasmine Fragrance" is my also favorite version. Very smoothful and watery, not darmatic like the Beijiners. tv.huain.com/list/10935.html
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Post by sanmenxia on Jan 31, 2006 20:59:37 GMT
Hey CCC, That was hilarious! haha, just about sums up this thread.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jan 31, 2006 22:52:11 GMT
He he! Well yes, all this whining over spilt nothing. What was the phrase again? Don't look a gift horse in the mouth?
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