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Post by dizifun on Oct 15, 2017 23:06:14 GMT
I have a bamboo Dizi. I like it, and want to get a wooden Dizi.
Do you know any reliable agent for TaoBao purchase ?
I have no experience with TaoBao.
Your suggestions, and helps will be greatly appreciated.
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Post by dizifun on Oct 22, 2017 2:14:42 GMT
No one recommends it ?
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Post by davidmdahl on Oct 22, 2017 7:19:32 GMT
Sorry dizifun, but I can't recommend something I haven't tried. I am sceptical of a dizi of which there are 4847 in stock. How carefully made could they be if they are made in such quantities? You could wind up with a good dizi, or it might be a dud. There is no way to know when you buy such an instrument without knowing the reputation of the vendor nor the maker. Best wishes, David |
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Post by dizifun on Oct 23, 2017 18:15:26 GMT
Thank you so much for the useful information
I decided not to buy it.
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Post by meoweth on Oct 24, 2017 10:08:16 GMT
seems like a very nice flute, but it does only have 40-something reviews, if youre on taobao/tmall you could fine dizi with 4,000 reviews, i always feel more comfortable buying from the most popular and heavily sold products, that way its unlikely that out of 50,000 people who gave 5 stars, youre the only one that got a bad flute.
Use bhiner.com for taobao agent
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Post by dizifun on Oct 26, 2017 2:33:36 GMT
seems like a very nice flute, but it does only have 40-something reviews, if youre on taobao/tmall you could fine dizi with 4,000 reviews, i always feel more comfortable buying from the most popular and heavily sold products, that way its unlikely that out of 50,000 people who gave 5 stars, youre the only one that got a bad flute. Use bhiner.com for taobao agent Thank you so much for the agent information. However, the price is about twice. |
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Post by meoweth on Oct 26, 2017 2:36:33 GMT
No its not, click on a model
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Post by dizifun on Oct 26, 2017 16:55:55 GMT
No its not, click on a model Thank you very much meoweth, I did confirm you are right. As you mentioned it seems like a very nice flute. I may buy it unless I find better dizi. It is a wooden dizi. Not like a bamboo dizi, the mass production may be possible with a good machine ? |
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Post by dawei on Oct 27, 2017 9:35:44 GMT
As you mentioned it seems like a very nice flute. I may buy it unless I find better dizi. It is a wooden dizi. Not like a bamboo dizi, the mass production may be possible with a good machine ? Perhaps, with CNC machines and such a wooden dizi may be fairly consistent, but even then each will play slightly differently. Personally, I prefer bamboo to any hardwood for the dizi, but that may be a cultural association of bamboo with Chinese flutes and hardwoods with European flutes. |
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Post by dizifun on Oct 27, 2017 18:35:35 GMT
As you mentioned it seems like a very nice flute. I may buy it unless I find better dizi. It is a wooden dizi. Not like a bamboo dizi, the mass production may be possible with a good machine ? Perhaps, with CNC machines and such a wooden dizi may be fairly consistent, but even then each will play slightly differently. Personally, I prefer bamboo to any hardwood for the dizi, but that may be a cultural association of bamboo with Chinese flutes and hardwoods with European flutes. Hi dawei, Many professional people seem using bamboo Dizis. I may upgrade to a good bamboo Dizi when I reach to the level I understand what I really want. I think the wooden dizi is relatively cheap, and reliable which is good for a novice like me. I am not sure, but a wooden Dizi may produce somewhat mellower sounds. |
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Post by dawei on Oct 28, 2017 2:48:37 GMT
"Hi dawei, Many professional people seem using bamboo Dizis. I may upgrade to a good bamboo Dizi when I reach to the level I understand what I really want. I think the wooden dizi is relatively cheap, and reliable which is good for a novice like me. I am not sure, but a wooden Dizi may produce somewhat mellower sounds." ......... (why is this hard to quote?) I don't want to stop you from getting anything you really want. However, I rarely have seen top Chinese players with wooden dizi or xiao. That's not to say they do not exist - it's a large country and I am not an expert. I just am not familiar with them. I've found some relatively inexpensive bitter or purple bamboo dizi that play in tune - with itself AND other instruments - with a good tone. Of course, it's hard to choose a dizi online as a beginner. Dealing with known sources like the companies mentioned often on this site can make the choice less of a gamble. It's hard to choose one online even if you play them well! Of course tone on any sort of flute, from Boehm concert flute to ney to kaval to dizi is more dependant on the player. Studies have been done on concert flutes and the player seems to be more of a variable in tone than the instrument, material, etc. (to a point). Of course the flute has to be well made and have the capacity to play in tune and through the full range. So if you want to try a hardwood flute, please, do so, and let us know how it plays, please. I have a metal dizi , it sounds like an OK-ish flute, so maybe your wooden one will sound really good!  |
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Post by dizifun on Oct 29, 2017 4:48:51 GMT
"Hi dawei, Many professional people seem using bamboo Dizis. I may upgrade to a good bamboo Dizi when I reach to the level I understand what I really want. I think the wooden dizi is relatively cheap, and reliable which is good for a novice like me. I am not sure, but a wooden Dizi may produce somewhat mellower sounds." ......... (why is this hard to quote?) I don't want to stop you from getting anything you really want. However, I rarely have seen top Chinese players with wooden dizi or xiao. That's not to say they do not exist - it's a large country and I am not an expert. I just am not familiar with them. I've found some relatively inexpensive bitter or purple bamboo dizi that play in tune - with itself AND other instruments - with a good tone. Of course, it's hard to choose a dizi online as a beginner. Dealing with known sources like the companies mentioned often on this site can make the choice less of a gamble. It's hard to choose one online even if you play them well! Of course tone on any sort of flute, from Boehm concert flute to ney to kaval to dizi is more dependant on the player. Studies have been done on concert flutes and the player seems to be more of a variable in tone than the instrument, material, etc. (to a point). Of course the flute has to be well made and have the capacity to play in tune and through the full range. So if you want to try a hardwood flute, please, do so, and let us know how it plays, please. I have a metal dizi , it sounds like an OK-ish flute, so maybe your wooden one will sound really good! I also saw only a few youtube videos. Wooden dizi www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMoaXe0OMscI have a purple bamboo dizi (seller claims professional concert hall grade ? ). I like it, and it is certainly better than my cheap beginner bamboo dizi. Therefore, there's no need to hurry. If I buy the wooden dizi I will let you know how I like it. I have wooden Nanxiao. I really like them, and am happy about the purchase. However, I can not tell the sound quality because I am a novice, and learning to produce sounds. I am slowly improving day by day. By the way, my favorite videos are: Wood Rodrigo Rodriguez - Shakuhachi flute (A Winter Night) Classical Japanese music www.youtube.com/watch?v=18HhSDUgask&list=RD18HhSDUgaskBamboo SHAKUHACHI flute - Rodrigo Rodriguez - contemporary Japanese music www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmRPECd9Yig&index=2&list=RD18HhSDUgaskI think shakuhachi flute is similar to Nanxiao. Do you think we can play those music with Nanxiao ? |
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Post by dawei on Oct 29, 2017 14:39:54 GMT
I think shakuhachi flute is similar to Nanxiao. Do you think we can play those music with Nanxiao ? The Chinese nanxiao and Japanese shakuhachi share histoical ancestry, but the fingerings are quite different. The nanxiao fingers like any other 6 or 8 hole xiao; the shakuhachi has D, F, G, A, C and D as the natural pitches from the fingerholes, of course with cross fingerings, half-hole and embouchure many pitches are possible and used in the traditional music. Anyway, you can play a lot of shakuhachi music on a xiao, particularly a 8 hole model in C - but nothing will finger quite the same. |
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Post by dizifun on Oct 31, 2017 4:35:13 GMT
I think shakuhachi flute is similar to Nanxiao. Do you think we can play those music with Nanxiao ? The Chinese nanxiao and Japanese shakuhachi share histoical ancestry, but the fingerings are quite different. The nanxiao fingers like any other 6 or 8 hole xiao; the shakuhachi has D, F, G, A, C and D as the natural pitches from the fingerholes, of course with cross fingerings, half-hole and embouchure many pitches are possible and used in the traditional music. Anyway, you can play a lot of shakuhachi music on a xiao, particularly a 8 hole model in C - but nothing will finger quite the same. Thank you dawei, As you mentioned, Shakuhachi is 5 holes and tuned to the pentatonic minor scale. I need the western notation of shakuhachi music to play it with Nanxiao. While I don’t like the shaking head of Shakuhachi play, and in addition it is not easy to play western notation music because of the pentatonic minor scale, I may end up getting Shakuhachi in future. I am hoping I don’t have to get Shakuhachi. Anyway I have a long way to go. |
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Post by meoweth on Oct 31, 2017 15:28:47 GMT
I think you should go for the ones that have the most purchases. In all honesty you wont be better off with a more expensive dizi than the 199RMB version, which in China is like $100 USD to someone living on normal chinese wages. It takes an immense amount of skill to be able to appreciate a higher quality dizi, and most of the time, there is hardly any difference. Ive been playing shakuhachi for years and i recently discovered a plastic shakuhachi and i actually like it more than most of my more expensive bamboo ones. So don't fall into the line of thinking that more expensive is better.
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Post by dizifun on Nov 1, 2017 1:54:52 GMT
I think you should go for the ones that have the most purchases. In all honesty you wont be better off with a more expensive dizi than the 199RMB version, which in China is like $100 USD to someone living on normal chinese wages. It takes an immense amount of skill to be able to appreciate a higher quality dizi, and most of the time, there is hardly any difference. Ive been playing shakuhachi for years and i recently discovered a plastic shakuhachi and i actually like it more than most of my more expensive bamboo ones. So don't fall into the line of thinking that more expensive is better. >So don't fall into the line of thinking that more expensive is better. Interesting video. This person compared the US$ 2,000 bamboo shakuhachi with the US$ 100 plastic shakuhachi. He was asking the audience to try to identify the shakuhachi. www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUdWo0OzC-w |
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Post by davidmdahl on Nov 1, 2017 6:08:56 GMT
I think you should go for the ones that have the most purchases. In all honesty you wont be better off with a more expensive dizi than the 199RMB version, which in China is like $100 USD to someone living on normal chinese wages. It takes an immense amount of skill to be able to appreciate a higher quality dizi, and most of the time, there is hardly any difference. Ive been playing shakuhachi for years and i recently discovered a plastic shakuhachi and i actually like it more than most of my more expensive bamboo ones. So don't fall into the line of thinking that more expensive is better. I am far from being an immensely skilled dizi player, but I definitely appreciate a well-made dizi. Making a dizi that is in good tune and tone is labor-intensive work. I would rather have a dizi from a maker that took care that everything was right, instead of the maker that drilled the right number of holes and called it good, since there were 300 more to make before lunch. It is true though that you don't always get what you paid for. That is why I tend to value reputation, of the dealer and maker. I do have some disappointments on my shelf, but I did try to choose carefully, and my best flutes are usually the most expensive. If you can select a flute from a bunch of cheapies, by playing them, it is possible to find a very good flute. I have a few bamboo flutes that I bought off the street in Vietnam, that each cost $1. One of them is better than some dizi flutes that I have on my shelf, that cost much more. When ordering from overseas, and taking the next instrument from the pile, I prefer to pay more and get something from a better pile. Considering my wins and losses, I would rather have a few outstanding flutes that I enjoy playing than a bunch of poor flutes that gather dust because I don't enjoy playing them. Best wishes, David |
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Post by dawei on Nov 1, 2017 14:33:00 GMT
I've seen both sides - the usual well made flutes for more money, and the cheap flutes that CAN -but not always - play well.
Like David I would take a gamble on "better" flutes at a higher price, yet a couple of my favorites are not the most expensive ones I own.
The better flutes can play the full range of high notes, and can play with more dynamic range among other things.
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Post by dizifun on Nov 1, 2017 23:04:19 GMT
I think you should go for the ones that have the most purchases. In all honesty you wont be better off with a more expensive dizi than the 199RMB version, which in China is like $100 USD to someone living on normal chinese wages. It takes an immense amount of skill to be able to appreciate a higher quality dizi, and most of the time, there is hardly any difference. Ive been playing shakuhachi for years and i recently discovered a plastic shakuhachi and i actually like it more than most of my more expensive bamboo ones. So don't fall into the line of thinking that more expensive is better. >So don't fall into the line of thinking that more expensive is better. Interesting video. This person compared the US$ 2,000 bamboo shakuhachi with the US$ 100 plastic shakuhachi. He was asking the audience to try to identify the shakuhachi. www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUdWo0OzC-wI think you are right. Probably the 199RMB version will produce similar sound with the one I mentioned. They sold more than 10 thousands of the 199RMB version. It is significant. However, probably I will choose the one I mentioned mainly due to the cosmetic reasons. I like the nice design. I don’t mind to pay small extra money for the nice external appearances. On the other hand, I would not buy expensive flute made by a famous person, unless I reach to a level I really need it for my performance. |
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Post by dizifun on Nov 1, 2017 23:08:40 GMT
I've seen both sides - the usual well made flutes for more money, and the cheap flutes that CAN -but not always - play well. Like David I would take a gamble on "better" flutes at a higher price, yet a couple of my favorites are not the most expensive ones I own. The better flutes can play the full range of high notes, and can play with more dynamic range among other things. While, I would like to avoid cheap toys, I would not buy expensive flute made by a famous person, unless I reach to a level I really need it for my performance. I think it is very important that “The better flutes can play the full range of high notes, and can play with more dynamic range”. |
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