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Post by Si on Sept 27, 2006 8:00:53 GMT
I am having a tricky time trying to perform a good Lun - this is my hardest finger technique so far. Are there a lot more harder ones still to do?
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Post by SCWGuqin on Sept 27, 2006 8:05:34 GMT
I've never found bo-la to be particularly easy...or guizhi...
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Post by Charlie Huang on Sept 27, 2006 9:49:56 GMT
The only trickiest technique for me is the qiaqi on two or more strings. Bo-la and guizhi more or less got the hang of. Lun is OK but could do better.
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Post by SCWGuqin on Sept 27, 2006 20:00:24 GMT
CCC...for years you've been mentioning this "qiaqi on two strings" thing, and I don't know what you're talking about. Do you mean that thing where you alternate plucking two strings with hammering on and off on one of them?
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Post by Charlie Huang on Sept 27, 2006 22:07:02 GMT
No.
Let me try to explain. Let's say your thumb is on 7th hui of string 7, you qiaqi on 7.6, but then you have to play 7.9 on string 6 straight after. Instead of the end of your ring finger ending up on string 7, thus meaning you have to jump up to string 6 and breaking the sound, you qiaqi on string 7 with the first joint of your ring finger with the tip pressing on the 6th string, so you can play the 6th string immediately after the 7th avoiding the sound breaking off.
Get it?
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Post by SCWGuqin on Sept 27, 2006 22:33:03 GMT
Oh right, that one. Yep, it's a bitch. But compare that to the equivalent with guizhi!
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Post by Si on Sept 27, 2006 22:39:30 GMT
what early beginners tunes have bo-la and guizhi ?
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Post by Charlie Huang on Sept 27, 2006 23:25:30 GMT
bo-la: Guan Shan Yue, Pingsha Luoyan, Qiu Feng Ci (Mei'an version) guizhi: Jiu Kuang
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Post by Si on Sept 28, 2006 8:34:43 GMT
Oh yes i am so forgetfull n the pin ying names - I think my bo -la on qiu feng ci is OK.
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Post by Si on Oct 10, 2006 12:52:23 GMT
For LUN - where you use the 3 fingers (except little one) what is te correct direction that the hand or fingers should move on the strings. I have my fingers at an angle to the strings with the ring finger neary touching.
Should the hand also move in a direction?
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 10, 2006 15:38:36 GMT
Basically, the three fingers when plucking should strike the same spot. The fingers should move 90 degrees from the string (i.e. straight ahead and not at an angle). Also, when plucking, your hand should move as little as possible, namely, it should not go flying off after the lun, it should just move about a centimetre to the right. It should be controlled and you should hear the three plucks clearly. The mistake people make is trying to do lun as quickly as possible and that is just pointless. Once you have plucked the string with a finger, that finger should not fly up like you are opening your palm, it should immediately relax as soon as it has plucked. If it helps, pluck slowly rather than quickly.
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Post by Si on Oct 11, 2006 11:15:42 GMT
Well that really helped me!
Thanks, Just need to work out how to do it on the other strings without touching the lower string - 7th string is easiest
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 11, 2006 16:00:14 GMT
If it helps, you can rest your cupped hand on a lower string to give you leverage.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 27, 2006 13:59:57 GMT
Yay! I had a breakthrough last night with the 'qiaqi on two strings' and cracked it! Also, improved my 'thumb pressing on multipule strings' as well! Took me a bit of experimentation on that "youlai zhengzhan di, bu jian you ren wan" section of Guan Shan Yue to work it out.
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Post by Si on Oct 27, 2006 14:46:27 GMT
Hey - iam learning guan shan yue too. It is hard to transfere from the 6th to 7th string and to the li moves. I am alot cleaner in performing that now but my teacher told me i should work hard on this cos its a great piece to be able to play well.
My lun is still variable in strenght but improving on the areas were i need to perform it on 1st and 4th string.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 27, 2006 15:31:43 GMT
I might do a tutorial video about the 'qiaqi on two strings' and 'thumb on multiple strings' and upload it to YouTube, coz they are important techniques in their own right and must be do correctly in order to play the qin to a high standard. And more importantly, it will be the world's first guqin tutorial video in English! ;D
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Post by Si on Oct 28, 2006 1:50:14 GMT
Thats the spirit!!!
What is the name for this qiaqi on 2 strings?
I find that its also hard to do a nice qia qi when my thumb position is over 5, 5, 7th string because the qia qi contact point is on the thumb joint. The sound is a either messy or very soft.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 28, 2006 9:15:12 GMT
I don't know the correct name for qiaqi on two strings. Will check GY's VCD to see if he named it. The thumb on multiple strings, if I remeber correctly, has a name...
You have to give me the context for "5, 5, 7th string" for me to know what you're on about!
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Post by Charlie Huang on Nov 1, 2006 16:43:08 GMT
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Post by SCWGuqin on Nov 1, 2006 21:25:50 GMT
What on earth is this "normal/middle" distinction? I use various points along the nail, but I've never heard of codifying 2 positions like this.
Are you using the little finger to depress strings in advance as you cross them with the thumb?
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Post by Si on Nov 2, 2006 10:11:34 GMT
Oh that part of guan shan yuan is hard - i will study it at home. but its the part after that that is giving me most problems these days.
Great to have such tutorials online though!!
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Post by Charlie Huang on Nov 2, 2006 10:45:45 GMT
I invented those positions to explain it more clearly. I suppose 'normal point' is the point which you usually use to press on the string. Middle point is the point inbetween that and the thumb joint (i.e. the fleshy part, not really the root of the nail), etc. It must be used when crossing three strings (two strings is simple two points on the thumb).
I don't use the little finger to press the strings down (not intentionally), though Gong Yi said it helps to press the strings down with your other fingers (that's if you need to).
Syburn, how can the part after those be giving you problems? Which technique?
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Post by Si on Nov 3, 2006 1:04:49 GMT
2 things
1 - moving from 2nd string to the lun on 4th is tricky - i think i will get it eventualy
2 - i am finding it hard to keep a firm ring finger (left hand) when sliding up and down the next few notes. Because its supposed to be a bit quick here i keep sliping off the string as i slid down.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Nov 3, 2006 10:25:29 GMT
You use the middle finger to play on the 2nd string, then you use the thumb joint to lun on the 4th.
Use your middle and index finger to support the ringer finger (notice I said support and not press down).
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Post by Si on Nov 3, 2006 18:32:49 GMT
yes that double qia qi is a good idea cos with out that i have quiet a pause between the next note no matter how fast i try to play.
hope you have more of these videos!
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