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Post by Charlie Huang on Aug 19, 2006 9:12:17 GMT
CCN aka NAGA sells the one that you have to use screws to fit the table together. They use to sell a folding one (where you fold the leg panels inward), but they don't sell those anymore... TBH, I'd prefer that type as it's quicker to set up. The screw one requires a screwdriver in hand and comes in five pieces which is cumbersome if you want to take it somewhere and set it up. It's also slightly taller and bigger than the LXT slot in leg table.
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Post by Si on Oct 12, 2006 13:45:32 GMT
I think I might just get one of those Ikea tables that is similar size to a guqin table and cut the legs if nessesary. Its a temporary measure and a lot cheaper!
Anyone tried this ( I remember seeing a post about this but I cant find it)?
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 12, 2006 15:32:29 GMT
CCN aka NAGA use to sell a folding one (where you fold the leg panels inward)... Correction. That old model doesn't fold but is screw on as well. It has a large sound box as well. TBH, I still prefer that one coz it does the job better than the new one in terms of resonance and amplification. The only downfall it is heavy.
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Post by Si on Oct 15, 2006 4:10:17 GMT
I spent 195rmb on a table from Ikea (just over 10 quid or just over 20 dollars).
Will get our contractor to cut the metal legs to the correct hight.
At 650mm high it is so much lower that my dining room table - hope it helps me to play a bit better.....
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 15, 2006 10:23:17 GMT
Make sure the measurements are right. Does it have a drawer? it would greatly increase resonance.
I'm thinking of making a resonance box and fitting it to the bottom of the top board of my qin table to increase its resonance quality. I played on the old model CCN qin table and my heart just wants that same quality of resonance which could potentially improve the sound quality of my qin a notch or two, until I am satisfied with a new better qin in god-knows-when!
EDIT: BTW, my qin's sound quality has improve slightly since I began playing it regularly, but the main thing is still playability issues.
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Post by Si on Oct 15, 2006 12:42:30 GMT
How regular is regular?
I allways felt it was some shopkeeper gimmic to say it improves with regular playing. From a scientific point of view how does it improve with regular playing?
I am not anticipating alot of extr sound qualitywith my IKEA table but i am hoping that the lower level will give some advantages.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 15, 2006 14:25:54 GMT
Regular means everyday.
Yes, a qin's sound quality can improve if you play it a lot. I think the vibrations loosen up the structure of the qin a bit and let's the sound out more, plus I think it helps with the curing process of the qin. A bit like clothing, you have to shake them out often.
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Post by Si on Oct 15, 2006 14:36:22 GMT
plus i dont know if its just mine - but i notice the surface of my qin is not as perfectly smooth as it used to be
what do you use to clean yours ?
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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 15, 2006 14:51:57 GMT
A dry cloth. I stick it under the strings and slide it up and down the qin before I play, get's rid of the dust and dead skin cells.
When you say not smooth, do you mean not shiny, or just sticky? If it is not shiny, it's due to general wear, just polish it off with a dry cloth. If it's sticky then dead skin cells have collected on the surface, or hand cream etc has clung on, in which case, get a damp cloth and give it a good rub (remember to wipe off the moisture afterwards and leave it to dry before playing again).
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Post by Si on May 18, 2007 15:34:00 GMT
Do you think that the more heavy / think the wood of the guqin table, the better the sound.
What if anything makes the sound better with one of these tables.
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Post by Charlie Huang on May 18, 2007 18:46:43 GMT
I wouldn't know as I'm not an acoustics expert, but a larger table soundbox makes for a louder sound...
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Post by guzhenglover on May 21, 2007 2:31:09 GMT
If you guys remember I too asked about guqin tables. My conclusions are (1) those tailor-made guqin tables, portable/foldable or not, are overpriced; (2) IKEA tables DO make a good temporary measure, AND there's no need to cut the legs as some come with adjustable legs anyway; and (3) if you want a really good table I'd recommend designing one based on traditional measurements - I mean correct measurements - and then just get one of those furniture companies to make one. That's what I did with mine here in Singapore.
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Post by Si on May 21, 2007 5:41:26 GMT
GZL - how much are they asking for.
My teacher passed me the details of the people that made her Ming style one - 1200rmb.
I cant decide what style, square ming seems good, but i thought that i could get the to make a think heavy style that might make a better sound!
Also GZL - what do you use as a music stand. I want a desk stand but cant find one.
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Post by guzhenglover on May 21, 2007 6:54:04 GMT
I got a really good rosewood qin table for around 1000SGD. I think even as a piece of furniture to keep it is good investment. The IKEA table which I still use has adjustable legs - well you knew that - and I think it was under 150SGD. I know the tables you are talking about and the funny thing I've found is that, ironically, often the cheaper the material and the weaker the structure, the more resonance it produces in the qin (for example, this really primitive table made of ply wood that I played on really brought out the best resonance from my qin that I'd ever heard, though I'd never buy a table like that). But I guiess this makes sense (well kind of) acoustically.
I don't use a music stand as the table serves the purpose of holding music for me, and I think that traditionally qin players do not use music stands. But if you just want a normal desk stand then surely there are plenty of these around. Like here in Singapore they now have a 2-dollar shop called Daiso and I am sure you could find one in there that's actually quite well made.
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Post by Si on May 21, 2007 9:03:02 GMT
What - the 2 dollar shop has music stuff?
actualy i wanted a music stand cos i find that the music notes are too far from me, and i always tuck the book under the qin so that the top of the page is closer.
traditionaly they might have prefered a music stand but had never seen one or could not buy them........
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Post by Charlie Huang on May 21, 2007 11:28:52 GMT
Music stands in the UK cost around £20-30 ($40-60 USD). Overpriced for a piece of metal...
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Post by Si on May 21, 2007 16:00:37 GMT
Flippin heck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at this thing - its designed for "zither player" is that us? ? www.k-m.de/TABLE-MUSIC-STAND.3+M57f02d0739a.0.htmlThis is what i have been wanting, although probably not good for qinpu books - but i always photocopy the pages i need anyway.
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Post by Charlie Huang on May 21, 2007 18:03:43 GMT
Erm...
Maybe.
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