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Post by Charlie Huang on Oct 15, 2005 23:14:15 GMT
I thought I'll write up a list of qinpus that are important for a qin player to have. These listed are published in facsimilie form (from CCN and one or two places). I won't include those that are not available to obtain.
Most important ones you should have:
1. Shenqi Mipu
2. Wuzhizhai Qinpu
3. Xilutang Qintong
4. Qinxue Rumen
Qinpu which are important but optional:
5. Mei'an Qinpu
6. Qinxue Congshu
7. Jiao'an Qinpu
8. Chuncaotang Qinpu
9. Deyintang Qinpu
10. Songxianguan Qinpu
11. Dahuange Qinpu
12. Qinxue Lianyao
Qinpu which are not that important but optional if you've got all or most of the above:
13. Zangchunwu Qinpu
14. Luhuaitang Qinpu
15. Woyunlou Qinpu
16. Lixuezhai Qinpu
17. Yanlanlou Qinpu
18. Erxiang Qinpu
19. Kumuchan Qinpu
20. Shiyixianguan Qinpu
I've got 1 to 12 (except no. 3 (in ordering process) and 11) so I've got quite a collection! You only need to obtain old qinpu if you are serious about qin study, dapu or expanding your repetoire and adding more flavour to your repetoire. Some qinpus, esp. the Ming dynasty ones, require some knowledge to dapu. For the beginner, I would suggest you try to obtain all the top four qinpu because they are useful. SQMP is obligory and is good to study with, WZZQP has useful section on fingerings plus a lot of the pieces there are popular, XLTQT contains a lot of useful essays about qin plus the pieces there are very good and unique, QXRM also has some good introductory pieces and has useful sections on stringing qin, tying the knot, etc. They are quite expensive though (except QXRM) but after you got the top four, they will last you a lifetime.
The important but optional ones are really up to you if you want them. Mei'an QP is a starter because it's popular as is Jiao'an QP. QXCS should only be bought if you have the money, it is a large volume of 14 books, consisting mostly of qin lore and theory. Chuncaotang QP is widely used, and SXGQP and DHGQP are important Yushan school qinpus.
The rest are not that popular or important. You should only get these if you got most of the important ones or you wanna try something different.
There are also modern qinpus like Yinyinshi Qinpu and Yushan Wushi Qinpu which you can get to completement your collection. But that is if you got the money.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Dec 11, 2005 18:41:40 GMT
Books that you should have:
Guqin Quji volumes 1 & 2
Cunjian Guqin Qupu Jilan [Dictionary of Guqin music] by Zha Fuxi
Qinshi Chubian by Xu Jian
Guqin Yanzhou Fa by Gong Yi
Guqin Shiyong Jiaocheng by Li Xiangting
Yushan Wushi Qinpu by Wu Jinglue & Wu Wenguang
There are several very useful books that I've seen that are recently or privately published in China that are not available to me, such as a book describing Tang dynasty fingerings.
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Post by Si on Feb 9, 2006 16:06:06 GMT
Dont these books detail compositions that have never been recorded before ans so nobody knows what they sound like? I think this list looks like a life times work to me!!!!
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Post by Charlie Huang on Feb 10, 2006 12:55:08 GMT
Those qinpu are for those who are in serious study (like moi). My second list are recommended for the overall qin player (like you).
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Post by guzhenglover on Nov 13, 2006 5:25:33 GMT
Hi Charlie
Just a few questions on an old thread of yours. Is your list of qinpus and books available in Chinese? And how did you come up with the list? Did you have a point of reference?
Thanx - Guqinlover a.k.a. Guzhenglover
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Post by Charlie Huang on Nov 13, 2006 10:32:12 GMT
Well, you can hunt for them here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qinpuand here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guqin (bottom of the page at bibliography) The list is rather out of date as new qinpu is coming out every year. The compliation is out of my experience really of what is useful for qin study. In actual practice, you do not need to buy any old qinpu facsimiles. You do need to, however, buy the suggested books in my second post as they contain valuable info that will improve qin study and playing. |
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Post by Si on Nov 13, 2006 16:30:52 GMT
My teacher has gone back to Tiawan and will get me a copy of the mei'an QP. Not sure whats so special about this edition but there was only 300 printed and there are only a few left. I think they are an edition printed by one of the mei'an decendants, but i cant really remember.
I suppose most beginners would not bother with the real QP. Probably best to use the GY green book tunes or those 2 Tan coloured Volumes (guqin quji).
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Post by Charlie Huang on Nov 13, 2006 18:05:07 GMT
I heard that they are printing a new edition of MAQP. Wonder if there is any difference. The one I got has all but one of the melody descriptions removed, plus a composition that I found in an older edition not in there. Will be interesting to see if they stick these back in. I also have a feeling that a section of pictures of finger technqiues has been chizelled out of the Dahuan Ge Qinpu, if the Zhang Huaying book is anything to go by (either that or a picture labling error)... EDIT: Well, well. The facsimile printing did miss out the fingerings after all! I checked the Qinxue Congshu, Qin Hua 4, and it said: "Dahuan Ge Qinpu 6 juan, Qinkuang (i.e. Xishan Qinkuang essay) and finger techniques 2 juan". The qinpu and the qinkuang essay is in there, but the fingerings are nowhere to be seen! Why in the name of all that is sacred would they miss that section out? Begger's belief!   |
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Post by guzhenglover on Nov 14, 2006 4:08:44 GMT
Can I get one, too, syburn :-) And thanks Charlie for providing the info. At the moment, alll these books and qinpus sound a bit daughting in that there are simply so many of them and I don't know where to begin. It also sounds like it's going to be frightfully expensive. Even the GY green book isn't all that cheap, is it - at least from what I can remember having seen one here in Singapore.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Nov 14, 2006 9:36:12 GMT
On second thoughts, a copy of a qinpu that contains fingering explanations, like the MAQP, WZZQP, QXRM, JAQP, etc, would be useful as they got techniques which may not be covered by modern teaching materials.
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Post by Si on Nov 14, 2006 13:57:29 GMT
Well I think if you have a teacher you will have more than enough to do and will not really need to even open an exotic qinpu book.
If you know a bit about western notation then the Li Xiang Ting or Gong Yi book seems ok to me as well as the guqin quji (tan coloured book).
In Shanghai all these books are "as cheap as chips" ie:68yuan for the GY book with 2 cds.
I think i saw the qinpus were about 250yuan but as i am still a beginner i has not even contemplated buying a qinpu (apart from the Mei'an one that I should get as my teacher teachers from it).
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jan 11, 2007 13:38:53 GMT
I found the Zhongguo Shudian site ( www.zgsd.net ) and found that I could order facsimile qinpu directly from them! Trouble is, the transaction process is rather poor (Joyo.com is better) and the fact that shipping is 100% of the total order for international orders (!!!). Gave up after that... |
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Post by guzhenglover on Jan 12, 2007 3:31:46 GMT
Charlie, is there anything on this website that might be of interest ( www.98518.com/gqjc1.htm )? I don't think there's anything I need guqin-wise, though I think their guzheng collection is quite well stocked. |
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jan 18, 2007 15:35:53 GMT
OK, I just got a reply from ZGSD. I have to do a money transfer... Dear god, a pain to do plus stupid transaction fees... I won't order directly from them now unless it is really worth it.
Anyways, update on the list with new qinpu that is listed publicly on their site for you to consider.
Most important ones:
神奇秘谱 (1函3册)
西麓堂琴统
风宣玄品 (一函六册)
太音大全集
五知斋琴谱 (1函6册)
重修真传琴谱（一函十册）
琴书大全
琴学入门 (1函3册)
Qinpu which are important but optional:
蕉庵琴谱（一函四册）
春草堂琴谱 (1函2册)
琴学丛书 (2函14册)
杏庄太音续谱
琴学练要 (1函5册)
德音堂琴谱 (1函4册)
大还阁琴谱（一函四册）
松弦馆琴谱（一函二册）
梧冈琴谱
琴谱正传
梅庵琴谱（一函一册）
Qinpu which are not that important but optional:
藏春坞琴谱（一函六册）
蓼怀堂琴谱（一函四册）
枯木禅琴谱（一函四册）
琴谱合璧（一函五册）
十一弦馆琴谱
卧雪楼琴谱（一函五册）
立雪斋琴谱（一函二册）
研露楼琴谱（一函四册）
二香琴谱（一函四册）
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Post by froj on May 9, 2007 22:11:35 GMT
Do you know of any english language websites were guqin books can be obtained from? Or is that a stupid question? p.s CCC how is your handbook coming along? I read posts from a while ago and it sounded like the perfect idea, I'd definately buy one.
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Post by Si on May 10, 2007 1:37:24 GMT
its not a stupid question, just a stupid reality.
I would read the "Lore of the Chinese Lute", by that bloke that I can spell his name.
You can order "Mei an Pin Pu" from Hong Kong Uni. I found it not so great as most of the book seems to aim to confuse the reader with string lengths, chinese modes and other complicated stuff.
Hey CCC - hurry up with your book!
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Post by Charlie Huang on May 10, 2007 10:00:39 GMT
MAQP, are you talking about the facsimile version or the Fred Liberman trans one?
I'm afraid the book plan is cancelled! I realised that I don't have enough resources to write it an it would probably be best to do things which I am capable of finishing...
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Post by froj on May 10, 2007 13:55:31 GMT
that is a shame! It's honourable to leave it because you don't want to do a poor unfinished job
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Post by Charlie Huang on May 10, 2007 15:36:01 GMT
I found Qinshu Daquan on Joyo for a discounted price! Unfortunately, it seems to be unavailable... doh. |
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