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Post by maaltan on Apr 15, 2006 20:06:34 GMT
I am starting to get dangerous now. I can play about a third of erquan yingyue now with recognizable quality.
I noticed my book had it in the key of 1= A (1 5 弦）. i assume this means i have to retune the erhu to A - E. Well i retuned and played it with the D fingerings and it worked. I went back and watched a video. His was obviously G but he used the same fingering. So i assume he was playing in 1=G (1 5弦)
So, is it safe to say that the fingering you use come from the (x y 弦) and how you tune your erhu comes from the letters and the numbers. Can this be extended to say 1=d (3 7 弦) which means tune to f# c# and use totally strange fingering?
Also, how rigid are the hand positions. i have seen the second hand position start at both G and A (inside string) I've even seen some playing with totally strange hand positions.
Are the hand positions simply a tool to teach you where every note is on the string and can be largly abandoned once this knowledge is memorized by your muscles?
Also, I will be probably be traveling to Ft. Lauderdale, Florida at least once sometime in may/june for my new job I just started. Does anybody know of anybody in that area that might be willing to give me a few pointers on the Erhu? If so PM me with your details (Availabilty, Price, etc).
I hope to give you some harder answers when I will be down there as times goes on.
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karl
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Post by karl on Apr 15, 2006 23:38:11 GMT
I don't have an answer but more questions of my own. I have played erquan on my own. Looking over the video video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3875038914279072592&q=erhu&pl=true I noticed that at 40 seconds into this where you play the notes . 61 6 her hand moves up a and back. I have been just sliding my index finger up and down. Is there a right way or are both ways correct? |
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Post by maaltan on Apr 16, 2006 0:25:24 GMT
I don't have an answer but more questions of my own. I have played erquan on my own. Looking over the video video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3875038914279072592&q=erhu&pl=true I noticed that at 40 seconds into this where you play the notes . 61 6 her hand moves up a and back. I have been just sliding my index finger up and down. Is there a right way or are both ways correct? Good question. do you mean `1 6 `1? in my recording the guy clearly does not leave from a modified second hand position (inside 1st 4, 2nd 5, 3rd 6, 4th 7, outside 1st-`1, 2nd `3 , 3rd `3) From my observations and previous comments of others. Song so well known and complex seems to be highly up to interpretation which brought about my question on the hand positions. Of course, if i had an erhu teacher and they were anything like any of other music teacher i've ever had they would violently object to me even attempting it probably confiscating my cds and sheet music until i had the "skill" to play it properly. Since I've made progress in the song I have decided to use it to teach myself all the nice little flourishes typical in a chinese folk tune. Im good at copying, unfortunately i tend not to be able to make very good "interpretations" of others work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ahh i see what your talking about I have been playing it wrong (no suprise right  ). The fingering makes sense now .. most of the notes are played by the first finger and i though the book had gone crazy. apparenty a series of notes that have the same finger over it means slide from one to another as makes sense. |
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Post by davidmdahl on Apr 16, 2006 4:03:50 GMT
While we are talking about hand positions and fingerings, I would appreciate a tip on fingering in the tune Guang Ming Xing (Bright Prospects). After the four-bar intro, there is the figure 1216 5 3 | 2 1. I assume that this starts with the first finger, but I am not sure which string and finger is good for the "6". Any suggestions?
Thank you!
Best wishes,
David
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karl
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Post by karl on Apr 16, 2006 6:17:06 GMT
I also noticed with er quan that there are a lot of variations out there. You can search for mp3s of this song and find a bazillion interpretations. I have found scores with finger notations most helpful. I got my scores at www.huain.com/musicbook/index.php You can see if there are hints to play sections of a song which one score might not have. The 2 scores are at url www.huain.com/musicbook/here/erhu/qupu_erhu_erquanyingyue_01.gifwww.huain.com/musicbook/here/erhu/erhu-erquanyingyue1.gifYou have to increment the numbers to get the next pages of the song (ie ...2.gif ...3.gif) Also since I was learning on my own, I found a CD of a version I liked and it was close to the score I found. But the music was in G (of course). So I plugged this song into Audacity and raised the key to D. Now I had sonddtrack to play duet with. The only thing I can't figure out is whether the hand moves to another position or simply slides. Sometimes I play it both ways until I find one more comfortable than other. Leaning without a teacher is really challenging. I only wished there were more erhu videos posted on google video or youtube which I can watch other people play. |
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Post by sanmenxia on Apr 16, 2006 14:04:44 GMT
While we are talking about hand positions and fingerings, I would appreciate a tip on fingering in the tune Guang Ming Xing (Bright Prospects). After the four-bar intro, there is the figure 1216 5 3 | 2 1. I assume that this starts with the first finger, but I am not sure which string and finger is good for the "6". Any suggestions? From looking at VCDs and erhu players, it's played in the first (upper) postion, third finger for high dot 1 and first finger for 6. |
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Post by davidmdahl on Apr 16, 2006 23:17:40 GMT
While we are talking about hand positions and fingerings, I would appreciate a tip on fingering in the tune Guang Ming Xing (Bright Prospects). After the four-bar intro, there is the figure 1216 5 3 | 2 1. I assume that this starts with the first finger, but I am not sure which string and finger is good for the "6". Any suggestions? From looking at VCDs and erhu players, it's played in the first (upper) postion, third finger for high dot 1 and first finger for 6. My dilemma is that two different scores indicate the first "1" played with the first finger in second position. If I do this, I can either slide to first position to play the "6" with first finger, or stay in second position and play "6" on the low string. So far the first option is the most comfortable, but I don't know yet if it will work at full speed. Best wishes, David |
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Post by sanmenxia on Apr 17, 2006 11:05:05 GMT
David,
I'm looking at the score from 2 different books, in both the fingering is not indicated. I also have other books with the score and from what I can remember they don't show it either.
Funny you should mention Guang Ming Xing, I've been practising the bit where I'm always getting stuck on, the last 4 bars of the 3rd section.
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Post by calden on Apr 17, 2006 13:11:39 GMT
David:
Neither of the two teachers I worked with advocated to "stay in second position and play "6" on the low string" at any point in the tune - that would feel unnatural to me in that piece. I'd always do the slide. If I'm staying up in second position, it's a relaxed-wrist finger slide rather than moving the whole hand back to first position for a minute.
Carlos
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Post by davidmdahl on Apr 17, 2006 17:10:17 GMT
Thanks Carlos and sanmenxia, I will have another lesson on Thursday, but it helps to know I am on the right track.
Besides Guang Ming Xing, I am in the process of memorizing Liang Xiao. Practicing is such a joy. If only there was more time during the day to practice. I just don't think they would appreciate that at work. <g>
Best wishes,
David
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). The fingering makes sense now .. most of the notes are played by the first finger and i though the book had gone crazy. apparenty a series of notes that have the same finger over it means slide from one to another as makes sense.
