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Post by guzhenglover on Jan 11, 2007 3:26:19 GMT
Well I am doing OK, thanks to you guys and in particular Charlie. The he and fang he are beginning to make sense and I think I can get through the rest of the piece now (though those guizhi notes are no less easy than he/fang he...). I wanted to learn LMC 'cos I wanted to play it to someone, but I have a bit of a leeway now as she's postponed her trip for a few weeks. Phew.
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Post by Si on Jan 11, 2007 13:17:56 GMT
So what stuff are you learning these days?
I just bought the new edition of the "old 8" specifically to hear this famous deer sound!!!
Thats internet peer presure I suppose...........
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jan 11, 2007 13:34:08 GMT
I'm over halfway through my dapu of Youlan.
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Post by guzhenglover on Jan 12, 2007 3:17:33 GMT
So what stuff are you learning these days? I just bought the new edition of the "old 8" specifically to hear this famous deer sound!!! Thats internet peer presure I suppose........... Well what d'you think of the master's rendition of the Deer Sound (it's on the 6th disc, I think)? Can you follow the rhythm just by listening to it repetitively? And I've noticed quite a lot of "noise" from the master's finger going up and down the strings, which is probably quite unavoidable but, to be honest, I found the noise a bit distracting as it makes it even less clear which sounds are supposed to be part of the music. But then again, this may be just the humble little me, not knowing what really is supposed to be part of the music! I am going through all the beginner stuff at the moment - so no, no Youlan yet, Charlie - and these include Xian Ong Cao, Xiang Jiang Yuan, Qiu Feng Ci, Dai Gu Ying, Lu Ming Cao, Gu Qin Ying, Guan Shan Yue, and Feng Qiu Huang. So I am still the "baby" on this forum !
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jan 12, 2007 12:03:15 GMT
Those 'noises' are the sound of the finger sliding on silk strings.
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Post by Si on Jan 12, 2007 17:23:33 GMT
wow you seem to be learning a lot. I am often playing Lian Xiao Yin and Guan Shan Yue (and SRC which is what I am learning now). Seem to have let the early tunes slip these days as SRC takes up too much time especially as it the longest one i have learnt so far.
Once you start following the score you will know more about how to play the deer sound. Dont just listen to it, try to play it.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jan 12, 2007 17:25:33 GMT
SRC isn't 'really' that long if you think about it as it has repeats and modifications or repeats, like JK or PAZ.
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Post by guzhenglover on Jan 15, 2007 4:02:41 GMT
Hi people - I've found LMC not that difficult in general, after all, and thanks to you guys (esp. you Charlie) I think fang he and he have come good (and again I've not found fang he such an issue anymore). What is still a bit of a pest is the guizhi business, and the first one (in the second section) seems to be harder than the second one (third section). The difficulty with the first one is that one's got to secure the string tightly enough with guizhi so that qiaqi with the thumb does really make a sound (for your ref: that note is guizhi on the 4th hui, 4th section on the 7th string with qiaqi).
I guess the second one is easier because the hui position isn't as high up, assuming that the higher the hui position to be secured, the tighter the string gets (which hurts the finger more, I think) (for your ref, that second note is guizhi on the 5th hui, 6th position on the 6th string with qiaqi).
Any thoughts?
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jan 15, 2007 14:59:36 GMT
OK, when you do the guizhi qiaqi, lower the ring finger in gz form gently first and make sure you press it at the correct point securely before anything else. Then, as you do the qiaqi, you need to use your thumb to gently pluck the string (45 degree to the left remember) whilst you pivot your hand on the guizhi slightly to the left and straighten your fingers naturally. If you do it too hard then the energy transfers to your thumb and your ring finger weakens slightly, thus it isn't pressed on the string solidly and the sound becomes empty or doesn't sound. The trick is not to try and produce a big sound, as long as you can hear it then it is fine. The biggest mistake is to try and produce a big booming sound and qiaqi the string 'to death'. It should be gentle, slow down if you have to to give you space to execute it nicely.
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Post by guzhenglover on Jan 16, 2007 6:45:46 GMT
The clarification sounds very clear, thanx Charlie.
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