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Post by guzhenglover on Aug 28, 2007 3:21:15 GMT
GZL: I maybe mis-informed but what about Tsar Teh-yun? I heard that she refused to 'make money' out of the qin. She only ever released one CD album and one book (qinpu) and i think the proceeds went to her charity or something like that (I could be wrong). I know of Tsar Teh-Yun but I've no idea what she's done. Sounds like a very noble and admirable person, though. I was just thinking that, in reality, this is more the outstanding exception than the norm i.e. most teachers probably can't afford to not charge students for lessons and, in fact, they are within their every right to charge a fee for lessons etc. even if they could afford not to. I wish I could do the same and I am still planning on contributing my services for free in the future (which I did once do, actually, though it was in an administrative capacity). I too had a CD released but I wasn't able to do it for free as I only contributed to the recording and the copyright etc. is entirely owned by the record company. There are other ways one could contribute to charity or an alternative good cause. Anyway like someone previously said, money itself isn't and shouldn't be seen as the source of all evil, though everyone's entitled to their own decision. Like the Chinese saying goes, "qing zhe zi qing, zhuo zhe zi zhuo" (roughly, "those who will be transparent alone should stay transparent , and those who will be impure alone should stay impure". Everyone's entitled to make their own decision when it comes to what they want to do with their music, and who are we to judge whether they've made the right decision (OK, unless if we are talking about certain relationships, such as the scenario of Chinese parents deciding for their kids what they should learn and/or do and kids who intend on pleasing their parents etc.).
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Post by SCWGuqin on Aug 28, 2007 3:28:06 GMT
"qing zhe zi qing, zhuo zhe zi zhuo"
is this 清者自清 濁者自濁 ?
I would translate this as "the pure make themselves pure; the impure make themselves impure"; in other words im/purity is a matter of one's inner character rather than outer conditions or actions per se.
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Post by guzhenglover on Aug 28, 2007 5:54:29 GMT
"qing zhe zi qing, zhuo zhe zi zhuo" is this 清者自清 濁者自濁 ? I would translate this as "the pure make themselves pure; the impure make themselves impure"; in other words im/purity is a matter of one's inner character rather than outer conditions or actions per se. That's it. There are many possible translations but yours sounds good too. Mine was only an approximate translation.
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Post by Si on Aug 28, 2007 6:33:38 GMT
I think the average mum and dad will not even know what a qin is, and definately will not want their kids so focus on learning it. I imagine they will want there kids to be aiming towards making lots of money as is the norm in China.
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Post by charliecharlieecho on Aug 28, 2007 9:06:48 GMT
Syburn: Our perceptions of Chinese parents' are different, but it's not worth arguing over. The important point is GZL's one about "who are we to judge" other informed choices freely made by other people - or they ours, come to that.
GZL, SCWG: do you know the source of the qing/zhuo saying? It's not is Rohsenow's dictionary of proverbs.
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Post by Si on Aug 28, 2007 9:59:34 GMT
no im talkin about mainland china - uk chinese is a totally different thing im sure
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Post by charliecharlieecho on Aug 28, 2007 11:07:54 GMT
Me too. Charlie will know much more about the UK overseas community than I do so I'd rather not comment about it. But I have lived in Beijing and Shanghai for a number of years, with friends in the local communicty at both. They'd agree with your assessment of the "average mum and dad", but at least a proportion of mums and dads know about the qin. How else would Dai Xiaolian, Yao Gongbai, GY and all the others have so many private students? The same goes for Mao Yi, Tao Yi and the others in Nanjing, Bejing, Guangzhou and other major cities.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Aug 28, 2007 15:23:05 GMT
In the UK, Chinese parents are more concerned with their children getting a job (and the usual spouse and baby talk) than with art and music. You probably have to make the effort yourself because I doubt UKCP's (UK Chinese parents) would want to spend much time anf money on something they might consider to be a 'recreation' or 'novelty' than a serious line of study and development. Most of the musicians I know all come from China and I have yet to hear of anyone Chinese who was born here in Blighty that is trained in Chinese music, nevermind if their parents actually supported their choice or forced them to do it or whatnot.
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Post by charliecharlieecho on Aug 28, 2007 16:09:06 GMT
Patrick Wolf wrote: "What I meant was: Please let's put an end to over-marketed, expensive, heartless, tacky rubbish, autotune, airbrush... I demand justice for good music and firebrands who refiuse [sic] to compromise to be popular."
What does "firebrand" mean here? To me they're enthusiastic, active supporters of a cause.
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