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Post by Si on May 14, 2007 8:54:58 GMT
mine looks semi antique as it has a hole in it - hahaha
still dont get it though cos i have seen "new" looking qis that have been made with a few hundred years old wood. My teacher has them at her house to sell.
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Post by Charlie Huang on May 14, 2007 9:16:05 GMT
Antique does not mean being made using old wood, it means being made a few hundred years ago!
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Post by Si on May 14, 2007 10:01:54 GMT
yeah but if its been made a few hundred years ago, it will now be old wood, and these are almost not obtainable now. So that leaves the only option which is a qin made from old coffin wood.
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Post by guzhenglover on May 14, 2007 10:28:37 GMT
My teacher told me they have some good shops in Beijing. I will get address if you want. Shanghai has too, but maybe they carry more in beijing. Im not speaking from personal knowledge though. I did want to go to beijing partly to visit these shops and partly for fun. I think you just at least go one of these places. Unless you know a lot about qin quality I would not tramp all over china visiting the makers. When you say antique what to you mean - with cracks on it or with old coffin wood. Well if you can get me some addresses (in Chinese) that'd be great, of course. When I say "antique" I had in mind not fake ones made from old wood but ones made a few hundred years ago. It might be worth looking at some even if I couldn't afford them! But no, the prospect of getting a qin "with cracks" or made from "old coffin wood" doesn't at all sound enticing...!
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Post by Charlie Huang on May 14, 2007 12:29:43 GMT
'Coffin wood' is a bit misleading. Wood from coffins are not good for making qins. 'Structural wood from tombs' is more accurate.
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Post by Si on May 14, 2007 13:30:19 GMT
Never really thought about the tomb / coffin thing - yeah i imagine many people will find it a bit distasteful!
Personally I can see the attraction of a qin with cracks - i have my lesson on one each week (cost 30,000rmb). I prefer i nice colour with all those coloured fleck in it
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Post by guzhenglover on May 15, 2007 1:56:13 GMT
Never really thought about the tomb / coffin thing - yeah i imagine many people will find it a bit distasteful! Personally I can see the attraction of a qin with cracks - i have my lesson on one each week (cost 30,000rmb). I prefer i nice colour with all those coloured fleck in it Well if the "qin with cracks" is genuine i.e. aged qin, rather than new qin built from old wood, then 30000 sounds OK to me. It works out to be around 5,920.00 SGD according to today's conversion rates and I think a good piece of antique does cost that much, let alone a good qin.
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Post by Si on May 15, 2007 5:11:17 GMT
No 30,000rmb is for a good wang peng with cracks.
A real antique (as CCC said) will be millions of rmb i bet.
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Post by guzhenglover on May 15, 2007 5:55:43 GMT
No 30,000rmb is for a good wang peng with cracks. A real antique (as CCC said) will be millions of rmb i bet. Then that wouldn't be of interest to me...
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Post by Si on Jun 8, 2007 6:55:41 GMT
Finally downloaded the Qinqu Jicheng, but cant seem to understand it.
is it written in those guqin compacted characters we are all so familiar with - or looks like just regualr chinese long hand to me!
I did only peruse PDF 01 so maybe that just all talk talking!!
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jun 8, 2007 9:00:35 GMT
"guqin compacted characters"? What do you mean?
The first piece in volume one is Youlan which is written in Wenzi pu, then the next few books like Taiyin Daquan Ji deal mostly with theory, with a few scores. It's only when you reach SQMP do the real qinpu begins.
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Post by Si on Jun 8, 2007 9:17:02 GMT
by compacted characters i mean guqin notation (is it called jian zi pu)
is there a source that says somewhere what is in each pdf file (volume) in english? Im only interested in the jian zi pu scores as I can understand the other stuff.
PS - i was just going to buy the sheng mi qin pu, would be nice to save some more there (its 500yuan!!!).
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jun 8, 2007 9:48:36 GMT
After SQMP, it's all jianjipu. Note that some qinpu has a lot of text on theory etc in them.
SQMP is a beautifully produced facsimile, well worth it!
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Post by Si on Jun 8, 2007 9:58:59 GMT
i had a look on silkqin - they dont have any english index of the contents of these books.
CCC-do you know any lace that has?
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Post by Charlie Huang on Jun 8, 2007 20:49:33 GMT
"lace"? Don't know what you mean...
I'm afraid no English for the contents of QQJC. I think it's a 'serious' book for serious qin players anyways (denoting that the serious qin player has a good grasp of Chinese...).
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