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Post by Si on Sept 2, 2006 7:12:38 GMT
Well my teacher is on holiday and im also on hols soon so i have a few weeks without lessons so I thought I would try my hand at learning by myself.
I am on Ji LI yin and just finished Yuan Guan San Die.
Any suggestions that dont introduce very tough new techniques and are easy to find on CD, would be a great help!
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Post by Charlie Huang on Sept 2, 2006 9:09:35 GMT
Erm, what pieces have you learnt so far?
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Post by Si on Sept 2, 2006 14:02:08 GMT
xiang fei yuan
qiu feng qi
gu qin yin
kai gu yin
lin zhing yi
yuan guan san die
ji li thingy
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Post by Charlie Huang on Sept 2, 2006 18:16:21 GMT
You can now try jiu kuang.
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Post by Si on Sept 3, 2006 5:33:24 GMT
oh I was thinking about that one.
Sounds interesting but forgive my ignorance - it sounds more like a piano piece than a gu qin piece - i am guesing its not very old.
anyway i will start on it, but which book go you think best - I have those 2 yellowly tan books (part 1-2) and the GY big green book and the LXT thin green book.
Maybe they are the same but thought I better check.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Sept 3, 2006 14:08:06 GMT
Jiu kuang is at least 600 years old! First appeared in Shenqi Mipu (1425), in the first folio, meaning it is from an early period, possibly pre-Tang.
You can try it in 4/4 time to avoid it sounding pianoie.
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Post by Si on Sept 4, 2006 3:18:08 GMT
thanks - its great to have a place to come for advise and info!
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Post by SCWGuqin on Sept 4, 2006 4:00:53 GMT
If you want to be systematic about syllabus levels, Shuang He Ting Quan and Liang Xiao Yin are both level 2. SHTQ is the most basic piece in standard tuning/yu mode, so it can introduce you to that.
I'm not all that convinced Jiu Kuang is an "easy" piece. Its meaning is rather subtle and demands sure technique.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Sept 4, 2006 9:34:44 GMT
If you play it is 4/4 time, you won't get lost.
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Post by Si on Sept 5, 2006 13:03:52 GMT
Yeah but the thing about this standard syllabus is that my last piece was YGSD which i have managed to play and once I come back from my hols I am supposed to be doing Guan shan Yue.
So seems like this syllabus is a bit mis-leading.
Is Yu mode same as huang zhong diao or rui bin? I thougtht that all the above piece (except YGSD and Jile Yin ) where in standard mode
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Post by Charlie Huang on Sept 5, 2006 18:01:58 GMT
Forget about modes. SHTQ is standard huangzhong diao (zheng diao).
Also, don't mix yourself up with the different naming systems of the tunings. If you refer to huangzhong diao, meaning zheng diao standard tuning, don't use ruibin diao in the same sentence.
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Post by Si on Sept 6, 2006 13:54:24 GMT
CCC, if you have time some day it would be great if you can add the english to the Other names and Representing Melodies part of your Qin tunings section of your Wikipedia.
Well im interested in it anyway!
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Post by Charlie Huang on Sept 7, 2006 9:42:27 GMT
OK, will do. But it might be a bit squashed and messy...
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Post by Si on Sept 9, 2006 3:14:52 GMT
is Liang Xiao Yin in standard?
also in the tan / cream qin famous tunes book - thats that symbol on the fifth note form start - looks abit like a qia qi but i can find any thing in my english references that looks like it?
I know the next one is begin fan yin.
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Post by SCWGuqin on Sept 9, 2006 3:23:14 GMT
Huangzhong diao is usually used to refer to 5th string raised/1st string lowered tuning. Ruibin is 5th string raised. Unfortunately the tradition gave many names to the same thing, and called many things by the same name. One alternate meaning of Huangzhong is "standard tuning, 1st string gong".
None of that needs to concern you. SHTQ and LXY are both in standard tuning. "Yu mode" or "Yu yin" means the tonal center is on the note yu, equivalent to 2nd/7th strings in standard tuning.
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Post by Si on Sept 9, 2006 4:14:18 GMT
thanks.
i am wondering if this 5th note is zhua qi.
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Post by Charlie Huang on Sept 9, 2006 9:02:40 GMT
thanks. i am wondering if this 5th note is zhua qi. Yes it is.
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Post by Si on Dec 5, 2006 16:30:21 GMT
Ok months later but might as well use the same post
My teacher has given me a choice for next piece Jiu Kuang or Yi guren?
I defo dont want to learn jiu juang but i worry that Yi guren seems too hard (level 6). Also sounds hard too.
You know, I have mentioned Puo An Zhuo but everyone seems to think its not a good one to learn cos it goes round and round and well it must not be popular - its annoying cos i like the meditative quality of it.
Rambling now.... any view will be welcomed.
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Post by SCWGuqin on Dec 5, 2006 20:29:14 GMT
Yi Guren is rather tough. But I don't know it well because I avoid "sappy" pieces What's wrong with Jiu Kuang? Perhaps some players do it superficially, but it's not, at basis, a superficial piece. Pu'an Zhou...I'm ambivalent about. I'd say go for it if someone is willing to teach you. As for its popularity--it is rather popular, though not so much as JK or YGR. Many players truncate it by omitting some of the repeats.
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Post by Si on Dec 6, 2006 1:12:26 GMT
I think I have seen 2 Youtube videos of JK, and i get the feeling that its sort of "commercial" in a way, so it put me off it. I prefere something that sounds thoughtful or meditative i think....
Wow, you think Yi guren is "sappy". Compared to the last thing i learnt (liang xiao yin), it does not seem so sappy. There seems not to be a strong melody but i an new to listening hard at the peice.
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Post by SCWGuqin on Dec 6, 2006 1:37:22 GMT
I think for many qin players, JK is an "excuse" to play in a bouncy and showy fashion. (Or in Gong Yi's case, to play really over-the-top.) As Zhu Quan wrote, "There is some profound Dao in this piece, but it is very subtle here, intentionally not explained to common people; (only) the most wise can attain this." While I do like excitement, when you finally hear a plain and "Dao-laden" JK it's quite a revelation. I recommend the recordings of Zhang Ziqian and Yao Bingyan.
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Post by guzhenglover on Dec 6, 2006 3:38:57 GMT
Earlier in this thread someone - I think it was utmostvacuity2 - started talking about syllabus levels. What syllabus levels are we referring to? Please excuse my ignorance, esp. if this is common knowledge to everyone!
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Post by blueharp on Dec 6, 2006 7:38:54 GMT
Wang Fei advised me not to jump into Yiguren. She said that although the notes are easily learned, the interpretation is very difficult - extremely subtle. After listening to Wu Wengguang play it I had to agree. JK is often played too quickly/flashy. I second the recommendation of the recording by Zhang Ziqian - it is remarkable in its restrained exhuberence. The structure of the piece makes it fairly easy to grasp. Plus you get to learn gui - a whole new discomfort!
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Post by Si on Dec 6, 2006 9:30:25 GMT
Haha - i like the whole new discomfort comment!!
As far as which tune I will still have to search for some idea. But I will not learnn JK till later if I can help it, I prefer more stately refined sounds.
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Post by Si on Dec 6, 2006 16:56:03 GMT
Haha - i like the whole new discomfort comment!! I think I would rather learn "4 big scenes" instead of JK. Anyway I have found Shen ren chang as another contender to add to my list. Guzhenglover - the sylabus is that document you can get from the NAGA website - its very useful in comparing the relative difficulty of all the qin tunes (and then wondering why some tunes are shown as easy and others shown as hard) quote]
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