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Post by paulv on Feb 3, 2006 20:53:25 GMT
I have offered up these charts before and several people have requested them and I gladly emailed them out. Reloaded charts:Erhu keys w/Open strings Erhu Technique 1  Erhu Technique 2  See my next post for more  Enjoy......... Regards, Paul... |
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Post by calden on Feb 4, 2006 0:51:31 GMT
Paul:
Nice! Thanks a ton! I've emailed out a few similar things to people - It's great to have everything all in one place.
Carlos
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Post by paulv on Feb 4, 2006 4:18:19 GMT
I have offered up these charts before and several people have requested them and I gladly emailed them out. Reloaded charts:Erhu Fingering Chart 1  Erhu Fingering Chart 2  Erhu Fingering Chart 2  Regards, Paul... |
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Post by seeyou3 on Nov 9, 2007 4:27:37 GMT
useful charts! i'll email them to my juniors  |
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Post by woodstock98 on Feb 7, 2008 0:49:12 GMT
Is there a way to enlarge the erhu fingering charts? It is a little difficult to see the detail. Thanks
Will
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Post by davidmdahl on Feb 7, 2008 19:03:57 GMT
I suppose you could use a graphics program to select the charts for specific keys, and just print them out seperately. Here are a few charts: www.ethnomusic.ucla.edu/courses/fall/2006/91-1/music/Fingering/index.htmThe erhu chart is for the key of G. You could use the gaohu chart on left (in G) and relabel it for D. The key of G on the gaohu sounds like D on the erhu. Best wishes, David |
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Post by woodstock98 on Feb 8, 2008 0:31:49 GMT
David,
I shelved the gaohu. I am now playing with an erhu that I bought from Sung Wah. I will post additional info on charts in the other forum.
Will
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Post by davidmdahl on Feb 8, 2008 7:11:10 GMT
Hello Will,
You can use the gaohu fingering chart from the link I posted for your erhu. The chart on the left side of the page is for 1=G, but you can relabel it 1=D and change the "G d" in the header to "d a" and it will work for erhu. The chart on the right side is not very useful since for erhu it is a chart for the key of A.
The rule for the charts is (x=y z), where x is the key, y is the scale degree of the low string in the key of x, and z is the scale degree of the high string in the key of x. So, for an erhu tuned to D/A, a tune or chart that indicates (1 5) is the key of D, since the low string D is scale degree 1 in the key of D and the high string A is scale degree 5 in the key of D. When you see (5. 2), that is the key of G since the low string D is scale degree 5 in the key of G and the high string A is scale degree 2 in the key of G.
Does that help?
Best wishes,
David
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Post by jarrelle on Feb 13, 2009 18:34:23 GMT
hey everyone! I am just learning erhu and I dont know how to memorize the notes on the neck.I also play sanshin and it doesnt have any frets but it had little stickers on each note position.I also play guzheng and the notations look very similiar.Is there away I can copy the notes and tape them to the erhu neck?or use stickers? thanks so much! jarrelle
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Post by davidmdahl on Feb 13, 2009 23:58:19 GMT
You don't necessarily need any stickers on the erhu to show where to finger notes. Just start with the key of D, and play the scale and tunes until your fingers are familiar with the patterns. Let your ear be your guide. You will have to do this anyway since no markings will be accurate enough. In order to play a tune musically and up-to-speed, your fingers will have to be familiar with the patterns and spacing without you even thinking about it.
Of course, if you want to make some marks, or attach stickers, no one is going to stop you. I hope that you will not make any permanent marks. They will just be confusing as you learn to play in other keys.
I think one of my erhus came with a strip that attaches to the neck. I never used it and don't know where it is. You might contact Sung Wah at Eason to see if they have one for you. Since the positions will be different depending on the qianjin location, I am not sure how such a strip would be useful.
Best wishes,
David
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Post by calden on Feb 14, 2009 14:01:36 GMT
jarrelle:
About neck markers: You can put a dot of white-out (easily removable) on the neck, right under the string, where your third finger would land. I've seen erhus with dots at the third finger position, fourth finger, and the octave position.
If you know where to put the third finger the first and second kind of fall into place. You won't need a chart or diagram for each of your fingers, especially if you already play a stringed instrument.
Of course once you get the feel for where things go (as David said) you need to take off all cheaters and helps. It really won't take long for your fingers to go to the right place.
Carlos
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Post by jarrelle on Feb 15, 2009 5:02:56 GMT
woah! thanks guys! Erhu is very easy it so far haha!I also play sanshing and it doesnt have any frets either.Im already working on how to memorize the notes so I can play a song....
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Post by kampucheakhmer on Dec 16, 2009 17:25:48 GMT
Hi i was wondering if you anybody could repost the fingering chart for me please thanks |
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Post by ed on Jun 24, 2010 1:57:24 GMT
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Post by woodstock98 on May 7, 2011 18:13:49 GMT
David,
I have the same question as I had on my previous post. I recently restrung my regular erhu with Erquan strings and tuned it to G/D. I will double it as zhonghu to learn “On the Grassland”. On the top of the score, it has 1 = C (6 dot on bottom, 3 xian). The question is am I supposed to use the key F of D/A fingering chart? Thanks.
Will
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Post by davidmdahl on May 7, 2011 19:50:49 GMT
If I have this straight in my own head, the score presumes a tuning of A/E rather than G/D. If you need to play in the key of C with the A/E tuning then the key of F is correct using erhu mapping. If you want to tune the erquan erhu to G/D, then play Grassland as if you are playing a D/A erhu in the key of G.
Have fun!
Best wishes,
David
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Post by sanmenxia on May 8, 2011 0:46:07 GMT
I think it's more important to play with the "correct" fingering than to play to sound a particular pitch. So if you have a instrument tuned to G, D, you should still play with the (6 dot under, 3, pronounced la mi) fingering, but now 1=B flat .
Of course anyone can play which ever way they like, but if you play in a different tuning like sol re, the fingering could get more complicated and what were originally open string notes now would have to be fingered etc.
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Post by davidmdahl on May 8, 2011 4:53:14 GMT
That is a good point, sanmenxia, though if you need to play with other instruments, then pitch is an important consideration. I agree that playing in a different key than written can make a tune a lot harder. Now that we have a guzheng player, I have to play Purple Bamboo in G on erhu. I don't have it quite at the ripping speed the guzheng player likes. It is easier to just grab a G dizi. <g>
Best wishes,
David
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Post by ed on Mar 5, 2012 0:16:10 GMT
Going back to fingering charts - it would be nice to see some charts correctly showing how the notes get closer together as you go higher.
Ed H
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Post by ed on Mar 5, 2012 0:37:43 GMT
A conundrum - the stops get closer together when going up the positions, however the fingering patterns shown in these charts repeat themselves until the fingers are almost on top of each other - wouldn't it be easier in the higher positions to use just one finger for all stops?
Ed H
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Post by sanmenxia on Mar 5, 2012 23:44:37 GMT
I wouldn't think there's any need to show the notes getting closer. For one thing, it would it less readable because of all the symbols and number crowding together. I think it only has to show the sequence of notes, it's not really a guide to where you put your fingers.
I think the basis of erhu fingering is to use a separate finger for each note in each hand position on the neck. And this also applies in the higher octaves, but of course when the semitones get so close together you can't use two fingers , then you have to slide using one finger.
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Post by edcat7 on Oct 2, 2012 22:25:57 GMT
I'm going to refresh this page because it's so good and also because I'm practising sliding and the higher octaves. I wish I knew how to scan, since there's a brillant short exercise for beginners sliding.
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Post by edcat7 on Mar 1, 2016 14:29:55 GMT
I'm bumping this thread again. Paul left just as I joined and have learnt much from the old timers. Welcome back |
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Post by paulv on Mar 1, 2016 15:02:59 GMT
I'm bumping this thread again. Paul left just as I joined and have learnt much from the old timers. Welcome back edcat7, Thanks, it's good to be back. As you can see, I've put my erhu into semi-retirement as I've since fallen in love with the jinghu and Beijing Opera. Actually, last night I talked my wife into singing the words to part of an opera (part of my lessons)I was practicing - it was enjoyable! Regards, paul... |
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Post by edcat7 on Mar 1, 2016 16:43:35 GMT
I like Chinese opera both Northern and Southern, but the gaohu is as high as I dare to go.
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